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Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby Gergian » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:57 pm

Hello!

I am starting a project to put ancient greek readers (for beginners) in a good quality (a searchable document with good image quality). I am using LaTex (XelaTex, because use Unicode) to run the text with font ""KadmosU" (but can be any other). My idea is to establish a "standard" (good quality) version of the readers for everyone who wants to learn. I use the software Keyman to type direct ancient greek (I think that is the best fo ancient greek) [Here: https://help.keyman.com/keyboard/greekc ... ssical.php ].

I annex a pdf document for sample of the idea (I did not revise the text, so.. may have some errors).

The Books that I want to type : Greek: Stories in Attic Greek - Morice (This one here I typed 236 histories) Greek boy at Home - Rouse (I just found some parts on internet ) ΑΝΑΓΝΩΣΤΙΚΟΝ (Here: https://free-ebooks.gr/%CE%B2%CE%B9%CE% ... E%B7%CF%82 ) This is done !)

Easy selections adapted from Xenophon. - Phillpotts.

First Greek Reader - Moss

First Greek Reading Book - William Smith

Greek And English Dialogues (Just the greek text) - J. Blackie

Stories and Legends - Colson.

Tales from Herodotus - Farnell

Trasymachus - Peckett (This one I am not sure about the CopyRights, the others I know that are in public domain, but this one... The last edition was in 1991, but the book from 60's

Latin (Some texts need to put macros)

Fabulae ab urba condita and Fabulae Facilies are done by G. Steadmann Here: https://geoffreysteadman.com/fabulae-ab-urbe-condita/ , https://geoffreysteadman.com/ritchies-fabulae-faciles/)

Easy Latin Stories - Bennett

A first Latin reader - Vincent

Colloquia Latina (Just Latin Dialogues) - Leighton , Collar et all.

Pro Patria - Sonnenschein

Fabulae - Appleton

Initium (Just latin dialogues) - Appleton

Latin reader - Hardy

Ora Maritima - Sonnenschein

Ciceronis Filius - Paoli

Varius Libellus - Paoli

Puer Romanus - Appleton , Jones

Latin Stories for telling ... - Rouse
Second Latin Reader - Vincent.

Any other suggestion are welcome :) . For the latin texts I think that OCR are a very good help (My friend told me to put "Latvian" at Adobe Pro OCR, and has a very satisfactory result (with macros!), for the texts without macros (e.g., Paoli, and some others, It will be need to put de Macros please! ). For greek the OCR results are very bad in general, or someone here have a very (but veeeryy) trained OCR for ancient greek (That can use to help us to establish the basic "corpus" of the texts.) ?

For those whom have some interest in this propose, please, send a email for me at private and we can organize all this stuff to do this job!

Best Regards!

My email: bozo.omega.9@gmail.com The Annex: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cb6xqeiw2dwyc ... s.pdf?dl=0

************************************************Books status:*******************************************************


Work in progress: First Greek Reader - C. Moss

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Greek:

- Need Revision:

Stories in attic greek - Morice: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dfoujgvojq5tc ... e.pdf?dl=0

Easy adaptations from Xenophon - Phillipotts: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zmms38gaao2y0 ... n.pdf?dl=0

Greek Boy At Home: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cn2j0xg4gzxi2 ... e.pdf?dl=0


Tales from Herodotus - https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3gj231y97e0z ... s.pdf?dl=0


Stories From Herodotus - https://www.dropbox.com/s/wyq1gai8lqi1c ... s.pdf?dl=0


Finished:

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Latin:

- Need Revision:


-Finished:

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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby Gergian » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:56 pm

UPDATE: I finished "Stories in Attic Greek - Morice", Could someone do the revision?
[Here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dfoujgvojq5tc ... e.pdf?dl=0 ]
I will work in "Easy adaptations of Xenophon - Phillipotts". At each stage I will put here!
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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby jeidsath » Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:44 am

Consider uploading your texts to github in .txt format, so that others can contribute changes easily as Pull Requests.
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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby Gergian » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:30 pm

Following the suggestion
jeidsath wrote:Consider uploading your texts to github in .txt format, so that others can contribute changes easily as Pull Requests.
, I created a repository at GitHub:
This is the site:
https://github.com/Gergian123/GreekText/

For now, I just uploaded the Stories in Attic Greek - Morice.
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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby jeidsath » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:38 pm

Very nice! I've added a PR that corrects two typos.
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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby RandyGibbons » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:05 pm

Trasymachus - Peckett (This one I am not sure about the CopyRights, the others I know that are in public domain, but this one... The last edition was in 1991, but the book from 60's

Thrasymachus was originally published by Duckworth/Bristol Classical Press but is now owned by Bloomsbury Publishing. I checked with Bloomsbury's rights department, and while they were kind enough to really look into this and get back to me, they decline to permit either the digitization of the text or the non-commercial reading of it on YouTube.

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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby RandyGibbons » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:58 pm

Trasymachus - Peckett (This one I am not sure about the CopyRights, the others I know that are in public domain, but this one... The last edition was in 1991, but the book from 60's

Thrasymachus was originally published by Duckworth/Bristol Classical Press but is now owned by Bloomsbury Publishing. I checked with Bloomsbury's rights department, and while they were kind enough to really look into this and get back to me, they decline to permit either the digitization of the text or the non-commercial reading of it on YouTube.

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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby Gergian » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:57 pm

RandyGibbons wrote:
Trasymachus - Peckett (This one I am not sure about the CopyRights, the others I know that are in public domain, but this one... The last edition was in 1991, but the book from 60's

Thrasymachus was originally published by Duckworth/Bristol Classical Press but is now owned by Bloomsbury Publishing. I checked with Bloomsbury's rights department, and while they were kind enough to really look into this and get back to me, they decline to permit either the digitization of the text or the non-commercial reading of it on YouTube.

Randy Gibbons


Thank you very much!! I really was doubt about this subject, but after a search I discovered that in USA CopyRight is for 95 years for the books after 1923 (Before 1923 was another rule, anyway, all are in Public Domain). In EEUU, the CopyRight is for 70 years. The Europeian books (Paoli, especially) is protect for CopyRight, but I downloaded from the school Vivarium Novum, and I did not find the original publisher. The ANAGNOSTIKO the same thing as Paoli, both are from 50's. So, for educational proposes I think that is OK. All the authors are death and the publisher did not exist more.

Especially about Thrasymachus, is really sad the fact that this very nice course has actually a publisher that do not care about the title. Just a poor reprint from the 70 edition did in 1991, and never more restructured. But ok, let leave Thrasymachus, is from 70, so... we need to wait until 2065 :lol:
Instead of Thrasymachus, I put Jacobs Greek Reader.

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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby Gergian » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:24 pm

UPDATE: I finished Easy Adaptations from Xenophon - Phillipotts (Here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zmms38gaao2y0 ... n.pdf?dl=0 ). I divided the texts in sections (according to the book) and in the front of each sections intro "[ ]" are the lines between of the texts sections, because each chapter have a continuous line number. The book also have a "Errata" that I also correct in the main text. Next I will work in Greek Boy at Home - Rouse.
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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby Thrasystomos » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:35 pm

Hi,
I’m new to he forum, so I would like to first say “thank you” for providing all these great resources. To return something, I made a scan of Rouse’s “First Greek boy” and included Rouse’s Greek explanation which I like a lot. As I use(d) it for my self-study, it includes German translations (likely with many mistakes; it is work in progress). In a separate sheet, I included Rouse’s hints incl. translations to English (based on LJ) and German (various sources; for some, I added also French (based on Bailly) and Latin (based on Leopold)).

Someone interested in a clean (electronic) copy, could use it and remove the additions. (btw: as it is a scan of the “archive org” pdf, it matches its layout).

Any comments welcome.

Attached: the first parts:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11ZS ... sp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XpR ... sp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YCI ... sp=sharing

the vocabulary:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby bcdavasconcelos » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:38 am

This is a great idea! There are a lot of texts available in print which would be great to read with the aid of tools such as Learning With Text and online dictionaries.
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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby Gergian » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:24 pm

Thrasystomos wrote:Hi,
I’m new to he forum, so I would like to first say “thank you” for providing all these great resources. To return something, I made a scan of Rouse’s “First Greek boy” and included Rouse’s Greek explanation which I like a lot. As I use(d) it for my self-study, it includes German translations (likely with many mistakes; it is work in progress). In a separate sheet, I included Rouse’s hints incl. translations to English (based on LJ) and German (various sources; for some, I added also French (based on Bailly) and Latin (based on Leopold)).

Someone interested in a clean (electronic) copy, could use it and remove the additions. (btw: as it is a scan of the “archive org” pdf, it matches its layout).

Any comments welcome.

Attached: the first parts:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11ZS ... sp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XpR ... sp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YCI ... sp=sharing

the vocabulary:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing


Thank you! Your documents are of high quality and have a lot of interesting complements ! I used the https://ancientgreekocr.org/ for establish the "basic corpus", (I downloaded the clean version B/W on archive). The final result is in HTML format and worked very well, with a good accuracy :). I have all the greek texts in the list with OCR already done (in HTML format). If you want, I can send it for you! Just write a email to me, or I can put at DropBox too. In the first part of this project, I will work only in the greek text, to put them in a acceptable format (To create the PDF, I use XelaTeX - Latex editor). After it, we can coordinate a work together, as a "companion": Doing exercises, put forcing vocabulary, and this kind of stuff. But this is a second stage, for now, we need to work in all these greek texts. As we have people from different countries and mother tongues, I do not want to put English as the "official" language. I want that all these material serve to create good resources for classical studies in many language as possible.

Thank you for your reply :D
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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby Gergian » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:25 pm

UPDATE: I finished Greek Boy At Home - Rouse: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cn2j0xg4gzxi2 ... e.pdf?dl=0

Obs: The footnotes of the text, I put in the main text (to do not use the \footnote environment of "Latex", and disturbing any type of copy of this material) on the format: "text (= footnote )", for the word which is refereed.

Next Work: Tales From Herodotus - G.S. Farnell
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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby bcdavasconcelos » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:37 am

A couple of corrections on Morice's text:

History 1)
ἀλλὰ καὶ οἱ ἄλλοι Ἓλληες πάντες, πολλοὶ δὲ καὶ τῶν βαρβάρων. ἀκούσαξ δὲ περὶ τούτων Σκύθης τις,

ἀκούσαξ > ἀκούσας

History 2)
ὁ δὲ Σόλων ἐσπούδαζε τότε περὶ νοµοθεσίας. τοῦτα οὖν ἀκούσας...

τοῦτα > τοῦτο

”ναὶ· ἀλλὰ συνθήκας ἄθρωποι φυλάσσουσιν, εἰ κέδρος ἐστὶν αὐτὰς µὴ παραβαίνειν.

κέδρος > κέρδος
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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby Gergian » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:55 pm

bcdavasconcelos wrote:A couple of corrections on Morice's text:

History 1)
ἀλλὰ καὶ οἱ ἄλλοι Ἓλληες πάντες, πολλοὶ δὲ καὶ τῶν βαρβάρων. ἀκούσαξ δὲ περὶ τούτων Σκύθης τις,

ἀκούσαξ > ἀκούσας

History 2)
ὁ δὲ Σόλων ἐσπούδαζε τότε περὶ νοµοθεσίας. τοῦτα οὖν ἀκούσας...

τοῦτα > τοῦτο

”ναὶ· ἀλλὰ συνθήκας ἄθρωποι φυλάσσουσιν, εἰ κέδρος ἐστὶν αὐτὰς µὴ παραβαίνειν.

κέδρος > κέρδος



Thank you very much for your correction!! I correct all types, I also contact you in the Private Email. Again, thanks for contribution !
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Re: Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.

Postby Gergian » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:12 pm

Update: I finished Tales from Herodotus - Farnell and Stories form Herodotus - Phillipotts.
I also made some improvements on the texts, I enlarged the Margins, put a bigger font size and fixed the problem of words that were going outside the margin and the paper. I substituted all the others with the new versions.

The next Job: First Greek Reader - C. Moss

Tales from Herodotus - https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3gj231y97e0z ... s.pdf?dl=0

Stories From Herodotus - https://www.dropbox.com/s/wyq1gai8lqi1c ... s.pdf?dl=0
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