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Unit Fourteen 14

Postby hlawson38 » Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:07 pm

Drill, I, 4d and 5a

I may have gone way astray here, so correct, please.

I-4-d. Quidam dixerunt aliquos vicisse Caesarem.

Quidam looks like the subject of dixerunt; hence: "Certain ones said. . ."
but both aliquos and Caesarem look accusative. So should it be Englished as:

"... Caesar defeated somebody";
or, "somebody defeated Caesar".

My intuitive preference, "Caesar defeated somebody."

I-5-a. Homines quidam mirantur verenturque Caesarem.

Should it be "Certain men admire and fear Caesar";
or, "Certain (men) admire men, and fear Caesar".

My intuitive preference is the former.

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Re: Unit Fourteen 14

Postby modus.irrealis » Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:05 pm

hlawson38 wrote:I-4-d. Quidam dixerunt aliquos vicisse Caesarem.

Quidam looks like the subject of dixerunt; hence: "Certain ones said. . ."
but both aliquos and Caesarem look accusative. So should it be Englished as:

"... Caesar defeated somebody";
or, "somebody defeated Caesar".

My intuitive preference, "Caesar defeated somebody."

It's inherently ambiguous. (My favourite example of this is the story of Pyrrhus consulting an oracle and the oracle saying, "aio te Aeacida Romanos vincere posse" with the result that whatever happened the oracle could claim to have been correct.) Context would normally determine things but outside of any context I'd agree with your preference. Also, it's technically "somebodies".

I-5-a. Homines quidam mirantur verenturque Caesarem.

Should it be "Certain men admire and fear Caesar";
or, "Certain (men) admire men, and fear Caesar".

My intuitive preference is the former.

Same here. I think the latter is very unlikely.
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