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Question about a reading

Postby Lina » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:44 pm

I am working on the reading from Athenaze 27b. I'm hoping someone can help me with a few points. My own humble attempt at translation is below the greek text.

Κῦρος δὲ αὐτίκα ἀπελαύνοντος Κροίσου μετὰ τὴν μάχην τὴν γενομενην ἐν τῇ Πτερίῃ,
And Cyrus, as Croesus was at once marching away after the battle that happened in Pteria,
(In this sentence, I put the underlined section together assuming that it forms a genitive phrase, was this correct?)

ἐπιστάμενος ὠς ἀπελάσας μέλλοι Κροῖσος διασκεδᾶν τὸν στρατόν,
believing that having marched away, Croesus certainly would disperse his army

ἐβουλευσατο ἐλαυνειν ὡς τάχιστα δύωαιτο ἐπὶ τὰς Σάρδις.
he planned to march as quickly as he possibly could on Sardis.

ὡς δἑ οἱ ταῦτα ἔδοκε, καὶ ἐποιεε κατὰ ταχος…
_________________, he also began to do it quickly…
(Can anyone help me with the first part of this sentence?)

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Re: Question about a reading

Postby IreneY » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:49 pm

A few notes : "as soon as Croesus marched away"
I would go for "knowing" for "επιστάμενος"
I'm not sure what you translated as "certainly". If it's "μέλλοι" then its actual meaning is "going to", "plans to"
As for your actual question :) "When he came to these conclusions", "When he decided so" or something like that would be a good translation I think. Sort of "the minute he decided to do so, he acted on it as fast as possible" kind of thing.
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Re: Question about a reading

Postby modus.irrealis » Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:45 am

Just in case, οἱ here is the dative of the 3rd person reflexive pronoun, which is used here to refer back to the subject (Κῦρος) of the clause that contains the ὡς δἐ οἱ... clause.
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Re: Question about a reading

Postby Lina » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:27 am

Thanks for the responses.

Yes, modus.irrealis, that was the problem.

I couldn't figure out what the οἱ was supposed to be, and was embarrassed to ask. Now that you explained it, I just googled reflexive pronouns, and it is listed an "indirect reflexive pronoun". Maybe that's an advanced topic, because Athenaze certainly hasn't mentioned it.

So this phrase translated literally...

"since to him(self) these things seemed good, he also began to do them quickly..."

With the indication that the first part of the phrase indicates decision-making.

Thank you, Irene. I mixed up "μεντοι" with "μελλοι".
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