vowels , contracted verbs and all cases when 2 vowels meet

Nehad · Post by **Nehad** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:48 pm

hey everybody
i need please your help in ancient greek
when 2 vowels meet
i know that a + e = a in contracted verbs
and a+o = w
but what about the letters which one of them deleted if they meet
please can you help me in this ????

Nehad · Post by **Nehad** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:54 pm

hey
no answer ????

Lucus Eques · Post by **Lucus Eques** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:24 pm

I don't understand the question. Which letters?

Nehad · Post by **Nehad** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:43 pm

thank you for your reply
well,
i mean that i want the grammar rule in ancient greek and all the cases of contracted verbs
and the contracting like for examples when i put verb :
τιμάω
then i find that a+w = w
so it becomes
τιμω^

so they're the cases of contracting

2nd:
you know that when t comes after σ
the t drops (i mean deletes)
so what are the letters which when they come after each other one of them drops or deletes
so ,is it clear now?:)
hope to hear from you very soon
thanks in advance
Nehad

annis · Post by **annis** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:53 pm

What Greek grammar books do you have access to? These questions are covered in great detail in those.

Nehad · Post by **Nehad** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:06 pm

ooh ,lol, yes , i'm a student of greek and latin studies at cairo university
well, i'll try to help the forum with my grammar books in holiday inshaallah
as i have many exams nowadays ^^
well, thank you too annis
and please if anyone knows a solution for this question , hope to help me
ummmm., i think i should search in a specialized book in accents and contracted verbs
well ^^
when i know its answer i'll tell you

thanks for you all friends ^^
Γεια σου^^
?ίχαντ ^^
sincerely,
Nehad:)

annis · Post by **annis** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:20 pm

Nehad wrote:and please if anyone knows a solution for this question , hope to help me
ummmm., i think i should search in a specialized book in accents and contracted verbs

Feel free to ask questions about parts of that you don't understand. But I think most of us are scared to reply to your first question â€” the answer would take a lot of typing.

Nehad · Post by **Nehad** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:21 pm

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,lol^^
hhh, what lazy friends!!

hhhhhhhhhhhhhh, well, never mind , thank you
but at least can you tell me the main points
or ummmm., oh yes , i think it will take alot
lol
well, we need a volunteer then ,lol
well, why don't someone discuss it in parts , or at least as i said the main points , or the most important
oh ,lol, by the way thank you very much ^^

take care
bye:)
Nehad:D

Bert · Post by **Bert** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:55 pm

Nehad wrote:hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,lol^^
hhh, what lazy friends!!

I guess you haven't been here long. It is not because of laziness. You could be accused of laziness for not wanting to find it in your grammar and study it. Maybe you don't own a grammar so I won't do that. Check out one of the grammars available on this site.

Nehad wrote: hhhhhhhhhhhhhh, well, never mind , thank you
but at least can you tell me the main points
or ummmm., oh yes , i think it will take alot
lol
well, we need a volunteer then ,lol

Nehad:D

We are all students of Greek or Latin and we voluntarily help each other. We had not anticipated a question that would require us to recap a complete chapter of a grammar including a couple of tables that show the many contractions. Where did you find the information you know so far? You might be able to find more there.

Nehad · Post by **Nehad** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:20 am

frankly i don't know why i didn't like your way in talking and didn't feel so ease
well, by the way no one asked you to do for me a fovour thank you very much
i don't want from you a whole chapter nor even a line

2nd : i was joking , when i was saying lazy students , and it's up to you to accept it or no , by the way , i didn't know you before writing it

3rd : you can't accuse me of laziness, as even you don't know where had i studied this grammar or even my books system

and i'm not a collector things in streets and suddenly found some grammar on the road and put it here , and if i "found this information " as you said , then it wouldn't be a shame to ask , and if you know some one asked about grammar he/she found or even heard in somewhere
tell him / her my appreciating and regards ,
but by the way , i'm not lazy and i searched but i didn't find , and i didn't collect information from the road , so i don't have now a resource for contracted verbs ,
and about laziness, i wasn't joking with you . i was joking with the people who appreciated and answered without insulting my resource ,ok ?

thanks for your very gentil reply !!

and this what i felt towards your answer , if i understood wrong , so please accept my sorrow ,

sincerely ,
Nehad

Bert · Post by **Bert** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:04 am

Nehad wrote:
3rd : you can't accuse me of laziness, as even you don't know where had i studied this grammar or even my books system

Please read carefully what I said about laziness;

You could be accused of laziness for not wanting to find it in your grammar and study it. Maybe you don't own a grammar so I won't do that.

Skirnir · Post by **Skirnir** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:19 am

Laziness in not seeking out a grammar perhaps?

Post by **klewlis** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:05 pm

gee, people, the guy asked a question and is being accused of laziness... how about some help instead?? why be rude about it??

did anyone bother to ask what grammars are available to him??

Nehad, check out the "Learn Ancient Greek" link above, which will point you to some grammars that you can download for free right here.

The standard Greek reference grammar is Smyth's Grammar (also available through the Learn Ancient Greek section) but it is more of a reference, not a learning tool. It's great for the kind of questions that you are asking though. :)

Bert · Post by **Bert** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:42 pm

klewlis wrote:gee, people, the guy asked a question and is being accused of laziness... how about some help instead?? why be rude about it??

did anyone bother to ask what grammars are available to him??

Nehad, check out the "Learn Ancient Greek" link above, which will point you to some grammars that you can download for free right here.

The standard Greek reference grammar is Smyth's Grammar (also available through the Learn Ancient Greek section) but it is more of a reference, not a learning tool. It's great for the kind of questions that you are asking though.

No klewlis, I did not accuse him of laziness. As a rebuttal to his comment about lazy friends I just said that he could be accused of laziness for not wanting to find it in his grammar and study it but because he may not own a grammar I woudn't do that.
Instead I directed him to one of the grammars on this site.
I also suggested to look where he found the information he knows so far. He might be able to find more there.

Where did I go wrong?

annis · Post by **annis** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:46 pm

Jokes over text (email, forums) are hard enough to catch when everyone involved speaks the same language natively. Here, where people speak all sorts of languages, to say nothing of different cultural approaches to humor, misinterpreting statements is all the more likely.

Rewind!

Nehad — ما اسمك ?ي العربية؟ — what textbook are you using for your Greek class? Can you give an example of the sort of contraction you're not certain about?

πετ?ης · Post by **πετ?ης** » Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:35 am

I've bookmarked this thread. I will check it often.

Aristoklhs · Post by **Aristoklhs** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:27 pm

ᾰ + Ο = ω otherwise ᾱ; ι subscripted. O: every combination with o (ου,οι,ω, etc.).

εε > ει , εο > ου otherwise ε is always dropped

ο + ι-Diphthong = οι , ο + long vocal =ω otherwise ου

η + Ο = ω otherwise η; ι subscripted.

Verbs which contained F contract only in ει.

The book I used is "Stehle: Griechische Sprachlehre".