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Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby esten » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:30 pm

Hi, I'm writing an alternate-Earth fantasy novel and could use some help creating island names that sound authentic.

Following the pattern of names like Micronesia, Indonesia, Polynesia, how would I write:
- Monster Islands (Teratonesia?)
- Forbidden Islands (Apagorevmenesia?)
- Silent Islands (Siopilesia?)
- Dragon Islands (Drakonesia?)

Thank you!
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Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby mwh » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:31 pm

I like Teratonesia. For the others I suggest Abatonesia (abatos forbidden to walk on), Apsophonesia (your Siopilesia should be Siopelonesia, but Apsophonesia sounds better?—apsofos noiseless), and Dracontonesia or Drakontonesia (more correctly formed than Drakonesia).

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Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby ObsequiousNewt » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:53 pm

Teratonesia, Aporrhe(to?)nesia, Siopo- or Sigonesia, Draconesia (with -k- if you so prefer.)

These are not very Greek compounds; as I understand it, constructions such as τερῶν νῆσοι (terôn nêsoi), ἀπόρρηται νῆσοι (apórrhētai nêsoi), σιγῆς νῆσοι (sīgês nêsoi), δρακόντων νῆσοι (drakóntōn nêsoi) would be better Greek, and you could actually derive names such as Aporrhetae (-ai?) from this. This process was exemplified by the name "Cyclades", originally for "Cyclades Nesoi" (κυκλάδες νῆσοι), i.e. "encircling islands". Through this process I'd give Tera, Aporrhetae, Siopae/Sigae, and Dracones—although these would probably be better with adjectival suffixes I'm not entirely sure what they would be, though -ades wouldn't be bad (Teratades, Siopades/Sigades, Draconades; Aporrhetae is already adjectival but you could use something like Aporrheades.)

Also take note that terato-, when compounded, tends to mean something closer to "marvelous". "thero-" might be better.
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Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby Victor » Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:37 pm

ObsequiousNewt wrote:Teratonesia, Aporrhe(to?)nesia, Siopo- or Sigonesia, Draconesia (with -k- if you so prefer.)

These are not very Greek compounds; as I understand it

Is esten writing his book in English or Greek? I understood it was the former. If that's the case, then I don't really see the point of your objection.
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Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby ObsequiousNewt » Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:20 pm

Pedanticism. I like to see well-formed compounds.
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Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby esten » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:48 am

I really appreciate all the responses.

mwh wrote:I like Teratonesia. For the others I suggest Abatonesia (abatos forbidden to walk on), Apsophonesia (your Siopilesia should be Siopelonesia, but Apsophonesia sounds better?—apsofos noiseless), and Dracontonesia or Drakontonesia (more correctly formed than Drakonesia).

What percentage of the profits do I get?


100%, because I like your word choices better. Unfortunately Amazon claims 100% of the profits plus a modest listing fee.

ObsequiousNewt wrote:Teratonesia, Aporrhe(to?)nesia, Siopo- or Sigonesia, Draconesia (with -k- if you so prefer.)

These are not very Greek compounds; as I understand it, constructions such as τερῶν νῆσοι (terôn nêsoi), ἀπόρρηται νῆσοι (apórrhētai nêsoi), σιγῆς νῆσοι (sīgês nêsoi), δρακόντων νῆσοι (drakóntōn nêsoi) would be better Greek, and you could actually derive names such as Aporrhetae (-ai?) from this. This process was exemplified by the name "Cyclades", originally for "Cyclades Nesoi" (κυκλάδες νῆσοι), i.e. "encircling islands". Through this process I'd give Tera, Aporrhetae, Siopae/Sigae, and Dracones—although these would probably be better with adjectival suffixes I'm not entirely sure what they would be, though -ades wouldn't be bad (Teratades, Siopades/Sigades, Draconades; Aporrhetae is already adjectival but you could use something like Aporrheades.)


That's right, I forgot all about the Cyclades...that's a good idea, using that form.

How would I convert abatos or apsophos to that form? (Abatades and Apsofades?)

ObsequiousNewt wrote:Also take note that terato-, when compounded, tends to mean something closer to "marvelous". "thero-" might be better.


I saw thero in the dictionary, more elegant than terato but was worried it implied beast or animal more than monster...the animal/monster distinction is important. I'd sooner use demon than beast.

Does terato not really mean monster? What word is used for the mythological monsters?
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Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby ObsequiousNewt » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:16 pm

esten wrote:How would I convert abatos or apsophos to that form? (Abatades and Apsofades?)

Abatades and Apsophades, yes.
esten wrote:
ObsequiousNewt wrote:Also take note that terato-, when compounded, tends to mean something closer to "marvelous". "thero-" might be better.


I saw thero in the dictionary, more elegant than terato but was worried it implied beast or animal more than monster...the animal/monster distinction is important. I'd sooner use demon than beast.

Does terato not really mean monster? What word is used for the mythological monsters?

Teras means "monster" or "sign, portent, wonder, marvel". Most of its derivational compounds have a meaning closer to the latter, but it varies, and the meanings certainly overlap (given that a monster is a wonder, perhaps in a bad sense of the word.) The sense varies as well, apparently, from good to neutral to bad. So unless you are referring to sea-monsters (in which case cet(o)- or ket(o)- is a better root), tera(t(o))- is probably your best option.
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Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby mwh » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:56 am

However would anyone know how to say Abatades or Apsofades?! To rhyme with Everglades?* You'd do better to stick to mine (he humbly said).
Doesn't Apsophonesia sound great! Apsolutely fabulous.

*No motorcades on Abatades, nor maids on Apsophades.
No lemonades on Teratades, and Draconades lack shades.
Do I make my point?
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Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby ObsequiousNewt » Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:53 pm

You know, I honestly thought "Cyclades" was /'saɪklədi:z/. Although I don't think it sounds worse for being /'saɪkleɪdz/.
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Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby mwh » Thu Nov 12, 2015 6:25 pm

I’m afraid you miss the point, which is that it would not be at all clear how to pronounce an –ades coinage.

But what a fatuous discussion this is!
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Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby ObsequiousNewt » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:12 pm

It seems clear at least that it is either /eɪdz/ or /ədi:z/... which is no more ambiguous than the root abat-.
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Re: Mapmaking: Greek for "monster islands?"

Postby Damian » Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:25 am

Theriades / Therionesia

Scyllades / Scyllanesia

Karkinades / Karkinonesia

:twisted:


After reading over a few of previous posts I found this interesting part
ObsequiousNewt wrote:"Cyclades", originally for "Cyclades Nesoi" (κυκλάδες νῆσοι), i.e. "encircling islands".

I then remembered that a bit to the north there is another islands complex.That one is called "Sporades".
https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Al ... 9d82?hl=en

And then I recalled the island names of that small complex. Among the others there is one called ... Allonesos.

Hence,

:mrgreen:

How about

Teratonesos(compound name)
Therionesos
Abatonesos
Dracontonesos

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