Helikwps wrote:Thank you so much for these Scribo! Getting both laminated and I'm off to the races -- much appreciated!
(p.s. I've gotta say that as written the distinction between dative of purpose, "I fight for the king", and dative of benefit, "Every man toils for himself", is a subtle one indeed.)
I've gotta say that as written the distinction between dative of purpose, "I fight for the king", and dative of benefit, "Every man toils for himself", is a subtle one indeed.
The dative is really a very amorphous case--a catch-all for nominal elements of a sentence that have some relationship to the predicate but don't belong in the nominative, genitive or accusative. I would almost go so far as to generalize the use of the dative in a negative way: for free-standing nominal elements in a sentence, i.e., those not governed by a preposition or dependent on another noun (genitive), the dative is the case for any nominal element that is not the subject or direct object or partitive object (again, genitive) of the verb.
Qimmik wrote:Of the categories of datives listed by grammarians, my favorite is the dative of military accompaniment.
"for free-standing nominal elements in a sentence" may well be the most accurate description of what the dative really is but for learners it is useless.
Qimmik wrote:Yes, at an elementary stage, it's worthwhile to point out how the dative can be used, but I think explaining the underlying concept (or, as I think, the absence of a single underlying concept) would also be helpful to students, too--it would be helpful to put the individual categories in perspective and dispel some of the confusion and complexity resulting from confronting the student with so many different categories. And Instead of or in addition to presenting the many ways the dative is used, it might be better to learn to recognize when it's necessary or possible to use a preposition (and which case to use) to express a relationship to the predicate of a sentence rather than using a free-standing word in the dative.
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