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verbal adjectives

Postby vir litterarum » Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:47 pm

I understand the usage of these adjectives and the constructions in which they are used; furthermore, I see that their usage is nearly identical to the usage of the gerundive in Latin. What is the equivalent of a verbal adjective in English?
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Postby IreneY » Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:50 pm

Depending on which one you use:

-τος = -able . Διαβατός = crossable
-τέος I cannot think of an one-word equivalent right now. "to be -ed" perhaps? Διαβατός = to be crossed? As in must be crossed?
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Postby vir litterarum » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:01 am

but what part of speech is it equivalent to.
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Postby annis » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:24 pm

vir litterarum wrote:but what part of speech is it equivalent to.


I'm not sure there is anything in English exactly answering to the verbal adjective. We have to make do with a paraphrase, where Greek gets a single adjective.
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Postby Bert » Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:22 pm

Maybe I am misunderstanding the exact meaning of 'verbal adjective.'
Are these single words examples of verbal adjectives?
The snoring man.
The burning bush.
The howling wind.
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Postby IreneY » Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:26 pm

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Postby Bert » Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:46 pm

Thank you Irene.
IreneY wrote:
Do you call these -ing ones verbal adjectives??

I thought that a Greek (and English) participle was a verbal adjective.
An English gerund (which has the same form as a participle) I would call a verbal noun.
The working men are hot and sweaty. (participle)
Working can make you hot and sweaty. (gerund)
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Postby annis » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:25 pm

Bert wrote:TI thought that a Greek (and English) participle was a verbal adjective.


A participle is an adjective form a verb, but since those get their own name, people tend to use "verbal adjective" to describe the other, non-participle ones.
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Postby IreneY » Sun Aug 06, 2006 9:22 am

Bert thanks for understanding what that pathetic '-ing' ones meant,
Annis thank you for providing an explanation that, at least for Greek terminology, I should have.
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Postby easternugget » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:32 pm

Could someone write a simple example of a verbal adjective being used? Are they used in Koine? I haven't heard of them though I haven't studied Greek for a long time.
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Postby IreneY » Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:30 pm

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Postby IreneY » Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:52 pm

I looked it up and it seems that there's only one -τέος verbal adjective in NT. It's in Luke 5:38, ἀλλὰ οἶνον νέον εἰς ἀσκοὺς καινοὺς βλητέον
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