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Postby Episcopus » Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:44 pm

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Postby annis » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:57 pm

What do you need help with?

I need help with [face=spionic]o( pa/lai kalo/j[/face]. I need some context to know what this is supposed to mean.
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Postby hyptia » Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:53 am

Episcopus, are you trying to say this:

[face=SPIonic]au)th=j to\n palaio\n kalo\n ou)ke/ti e)qe/lei o( e)pi/skopoj o(/n polu\ dida/ceij pi/<nein to\n xlwro/n.[/face]

That's how I would interpret your sentence anyway, based on what I understand of the grammar - roughly translated, "the bishop whom you will often teach to drink of [something] green no longer wants her [somebody else's] ancient virtue."

The word order seems unusual to me but I suppose you did that for emphasis? :)
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Postby mraig » Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:44 am

hyptia wrote:Episcopus, are you trying to say this:

[face=SPIonic]au)th=j to\n palaio\n kalo\n ou)ke/ti e)qe/lei o( e)pi/skopoj o(/n polu\ dida/ceij pi/<nein to\n xlwro/n.[/face]

That's how I would interpret your sentence anyway, based on what I understand of the grammar - roughly translated, "the bishop whom you will often teach to drink of [something] green no longer wants her [somebody else's] ancient virtue."

The word order seems unusual to me but I suppose you did that for emphasis? :)


[face=SPIonic]to\n palaio\n kalo\n [/face]

1. cannot mean 'ancient virtue' because it is masculine, not neuter. That would be
[face=SPIonic]to\ palaio\n kalo\n [/face].
2. Is different in meaning from
[face=SPIonic]to\n pa/lai kalo\n [/face]. As I understand it, the adverb would mean "the formerly beautiful man" while the adjective would mean "the old, beautiful man."

I am not familiar with
[face=SPIonic]e)qe/lw [/face] being used to mean "want" with an accusative object. The standard usage is, with the acc. + inf. "to wish, be willing", and can then be translated as "want to".

The best translation I can give for the original, as written, would be:

The guardian (or bishop; lit. 'over-seer'), who taught the woman's formerly beautiful man to drink the green man a lot, is no longer willing.

So it doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but that's what it says.
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Postby hyptia » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:16 am

mraig wrote:[face=SPIonic]to\n palaio\n kalo\n [/face]

1. cannot mean 'ancient virtue' because it is masculine, not neuter. That would be
[face=SPIonic]to\ palaio\n kalo\n [/face].

Thanks for catching that... I don't know how I missed it, both there and with [face=SPIonic]to\n xlwro/n[/face]. :oops:

As I understand it, the adverb would mean "the formerly beautiful man" while the adjective would mean "the old, beautiful man."

That's nifty - I didn't know that an adverb could be used that way. :D

What about my suggestion for the use of the relative pronoun [face=SPIonic]o(/n[/face]: is that unnecessary when the definite article is used that way? I thought [face=SPIonic]dida/caj[/face] sounded like a second person future, which is what threw my interpretation off (reading it as "you will teach" instead of "the overseer/guardian/bishop taught") - yet I can find nothing in the dictionary that matches that form; -[face=SPIonic]aj[/face] is a second person aorist ending, but the aorist of [face=SPIonic]dida/skw[/face] is [face=SPIonic]edi/daca[/face]. :?
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Postby annis » Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:41 pm

hyptia wrote: -[face=SPIonic]aj[/face] is a second person aorist ending, but the aorist of [face=SPIonic]dida/skw[/face] is [face=SPIonic]edi/daca[/face]. :?


I assume [face=spionic]di/dacaj[/face] an aorist masc.nom.sig. participle - [face=spionic]dida/caj[/face] - with an errant accent.
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Postby Episcopus » Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:50 pm

Yes indeed it is, note I did realise and changed it prior to your post William 8)

Now can you barbarians please stop embarrassing yourselves?
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Postby mraig » Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:53 pm

So what's it supposed to mean then?
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Postby Kopio » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:47 pm

[face=SPIonic]xlwro/n[/face] Is quite obviously Chlorine....Epi's favorite flavor of McVitties. Did you guys actually miss that....or was it just so obvious that now I'm the dupe mentioning it??
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Postby Bert » Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:01 pm

Kopio wrote: or was it just so obvious that now I'm the dupe mentioning it??

No dupe Kopio, no dupe. You are just showing that you and the bishop are in the same league. We are getting worried about you.
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Postby Episcopus » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:45 pm

Then we wait for whiteoctave. 8)
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Postby Phylax » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:31 am

Episcopus wrote:Then we wait for whiteoctave. 8)


Do not place too much reliance on Whiteoctave, for he is doubtless off somewhere else, fighting with Cweb255! :D
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Postby Phylax » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:53 am

I wonder if Episkopus is saying, in his usual delightful gnomic way, that he no longer wishes so much to carry on with the benefits of his beloved Latin, as to now drink of the vinho verde (new wine) of Greek?
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Postby Yhevhe » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:07 pm

Doesn't vinho verde means green wine? :?

We had this wine on the table last week... gosh, I don't even know what I'm drinking :roll:
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Postby Phylax » Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:49 pm

Doesn't vinho verde means green wine?


Indeed it does, but 'green' in the sense of 'new', I think. Cf 'greenhorn'. Vinho verde is actually pale yellow, like all 'white' wine, and usually not much more than a year old. Therefore not very strong.

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Postby Episcopus » Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:52 am

Phylax that was very good! Not what I meant but it can be interpreted thus!

haha yes both of them do seem to have disappeared. Perhaps cweb255 flipped his lid and turned up at Christ's College Cambridge with a chainsaw, and whiteoctave is backpedalling hurling of his collection innumerable Budés (only his doubles though) to be shredded instead of his face.
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Postby Turpissimus » Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:55 pm

I wonder if Episkopus is saying, in his usual delightful gnomic way, that he no longer wishes so much to carry on with the benefits of his beloved Latin, as to now drink of the vinho verde (new wine) of Greek?


'Green thing' is obviously this very board! You're not leaving us are you?
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Postby Yhevhe » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:06 am

Green... isn't that someones favourite colour? hehe

Oh, Turpissimus, what did you do with your another avatar? I liked it better (I think it was yours...) :(
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Postby Phylax » Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:08 am

I liked it better

I liked your former avatar too, mi Turpissime!
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Postby amans » Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:37 am

Phylax wrote:
I liked it better

I liked your former avatar too, mi Turpissime!
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Don't you guys like Monty Python? The Romanes eunt domus-scene is fun :) But Turpissimi picture could be a little lighter...
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Postby Turpissimus » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:49 pm

I liked your former avatar too, mi Turpissime!
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You're going to have to jog my memory. Was it Homer Simpson or Mr. T, or something else?
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Postby Yhevhe » Mon Jul 04, 2005 2:56 pm

I don't know... but the guy looked to me like one of the three stooges.
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Postby Phylax » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:58 pm

Episkope emou, if you're about to try your hand at Classical Greek, then please may I salute your bold endeavour, and predict that you will bring to it the same enormous dedication that you brought to the Latin.

You will know that you have here many friends who will help you on your way, including myself, though my own love of the language is far outstripped by my present competence in it.

But if you love Latin, then you will probably go crazy about Greek. Remember most of those ancients Romans loved Greek too - few Romans would condsider themselves to be a gentleman if they knew not Greek - and you stand in proud descent. All hail to you.

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