mingshey wrote: [face=SPIonic])Euklei/dhj[/face](more vaguely, good collar-bones )
ThomasGR wrote:Well that is what I thought always, that it comes from eidos, but than again I read all the time that the meaning is "son of", and this creates a confusion in me. The primary question is how -ides can be derived to mean "son of".
ThomasGR wrote:(I hope am correct saying -idas is another form of -ides...)
annis wrote:We can say, though, that the [face=spionic]-idhj[/face] ending is secondary, and the original is simply [face=spionic]-dhj[/face]. No relationship to [face=spionic]ei)=doj[/face] is possible.
Paul wrote:It is the general consensus among Greek scholars that the patronymic suffix [face=SPIonic]-idaj, -idhj[/face] consists of two suffixes: [face=SPIonic]-id-[/face] , believed to be pre-Greek, and [face=SPIonic]-aj[/face], of murkier origins but known to denote male persons.
Recent work, framed by the question 'how does x-[face=SPIonic]idaj[/face] come to mean "son of x"'?, has further developed these ideas.
It says that [face=SPIonic]-id-[/face] denotes a clan or family name. This name can indicate not only a group of people, but also the land they inhabit.
ThomasGR wrote:Paul's post made me think. We have also the archaic form δη (dh) for earth, like in goddess Demetra, and amybe it was also used as a suffix -δη to denote some one coming from a specific land, like in English -lander (Finlander). I wonder if -δης can have something to do with δη (earth).
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