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autous- them vs themselves

Postby Bert » Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:24 am

In line 4&5 of the Iliad it says [face=SPIonic]au)tou\j de\ e(lw/ria teu=xe ku/nessin oi)wnoi=si/ te dai=ta,..[/face]<br />In the notes after the text (Pharr) it says that -autous- means themseles, ie. their bodies.<br />In context this makes sence, but only because the dogs and birds can't eat souls.<br />When ever I read this over, I almost automaticaly read -them- instead of themselves. It just seems that the antecedent is [face=SPIonic]polla\j i)fqi/mouj yuxa\j h(rw/wn[/face]<br />It makes sence for [face=SPIonic]au)to/j , -h/, -o/[/face] to mean himself or themselves if it is in the nominative case,for then it adds an emphasis to the subject. In this sentence it just appears to be the object of [face=SPIonic] teu=xe[/face].<br />Where am I going wrong in my reasoning?
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Re:autous- them vs themselves

Postby Paul » Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:11 am

Hi,<br /><br />Your reasoning is fine. We moderns just aren't used to the idea that the 'real self' is the body and not the soul.<br /><br />There is a deliberate contrast between the words <br />yuxa/j and au)tou/j - souls and bodies:<br /><br />"And hurled forth to Hades many mighty souls of heros<br /> while making their bodies prey for dogs..."<br /><br />au)tou/j is indeed the object of the imperfect teu=xe.<br /><br />Cordially,<br /><br />Paul
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Re:autous- them vs themselves

Postby Bert » Sat Jul 26, 2003 1:37 pm

Thank you. I understand now.<br />Send their SOULS to Hades, but make THEM a pray to dogs...
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