annis wrote:Well, I would be more careful with some of the vowels. Where did you get schwa-like pronunciation for short α, for example? I would also be more tidy about ευ, ηυ and ει, ῃ.
annis wrote:The biggest change I'd suggest, however, has to do with the pitch accent system. The acute was not an across-the-board rising accent. In most of the world's pitch accent system, the pitch accent is not identified by being at a higher pitch than previous syllables, but because the following syllable is at a lower pitch. So, using 1-9 as a rough pitch guide,
ἄνθρωπός τις 545 4 (possibly 3 for 4)
Only on a long vowel or diphthong would the acute represent what sounds like a rising pitch. And the circumflex was very probably just a falling pitch, not a rise then fall. The grave was merely the absence of a pitch accent — definitely not a falling contour in any interpretation of the evidence.
Cheiromancer wrote:I have a special difficulty in that the first vowel in "father" sounds to me exactly like the vowel in "caught". At least when I say it. I suppose that the latter is supposed to be farther back-I can get a different vowel if I open my mouth wide, tilt my head back and say "caw" - like what a crow says. But this sound, I thought, was omega.
Gregorius wrote:Omega is just a slightly more open version of the 'o' in English "bone." Hence, one might tabulate these three vowels like this:
ο = 'aw' as in 'law' (assuming a dialect of Am. Eng. where the don-dawn merger hasn't taken root)
ᾱ = 'a' as in "father"
ω = 'o' as in "bone"
In an effort to simplify things, I've tentatively committed to a single sound for those letters or diphthongs to which I'd previously assigned two alternatives. Hence:
ει = /e:/
ηι = /ei/
ευ = /eu/
ηυ = /e:u/
Gregorius wrote:Yeah, I based my guide largely on Allen since he seems so well respected, but a few of his vowel designations just rub me the wrong way.
annis wrote:Gregorius wrote:Yeah, I based my guide largely on Allen since he seems so well respected, but a few of his vowel designations just rub me the wrong way.
It rubbed me the wrong way at first, too, but the preponderance of evidence nonetheless points very firmly in that direction. You might find the chapters of this book interesting, Greek Dialects. You will find chapters 5 and 6 most relevant.
Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 40 guests