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Postby IreneY » Wed May 18, 2011 4:35 pm

Hello everyone,

This thread represents an effort to create a thread with resources for all the different aspects of learning Ancient Greek and any relative issue.
In this thread people can a) post their suggestions for such resources b) comment on these suggestions
People cannot though ask questions about these resources.
Please make sure that your suggestion is not already posted here or (later on) the Resources thread.
I would also ask you to make clear which suggestion you are referring to when commenting on one already suggested.

Each suggestion must use the following format:
Name of the resouce: Either a link to a site or the name of a book
Whether it's free or not
Period(s) of ancient Greek and aspect of learning ancient Greek it covers
Short description/reasons it's suggested (about 5 lines tops)

An example would be:
http://www.textkit.com
Free
All periods of ancient Greek, all aspects of learning
An all-encompassing site for learners of ancient Greek (and Latin). Includes big list of free grammars, dictionaries etc.

Note that for paid resources such as books, links to specific on-line or off line shops are not allowed. Our purpose here is to suggest resources and not to advertise.

This is an effort that can only succeed through your participation and your comments/criticism. You can either PM me with the later or post in thisthread
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby Hampie » Wed May 18, 2011 5:45 pm

How about one of these for Latin too?
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby pster » Fri May 20, 2011 9:59 pm

I think it will take a while for this thread to grow. Right now the kiddies are busy with exams and the old fogies are out enjoying the spring. I'm sure it will pick up.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby TonyLoco23 » Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:01 pm

Here's a great resource for starting out with Koine Greek:
http://greek-language.com/grammar/index.html

What I like most about it is that for every word introduced it lists the number of instances the word appears in the Bible, which is helpful to determine which vocab to concentrate on.

It is incomplete, but it is well organized. Because it is online you can use Ctrl-F to find specific words and you can copy and paste text directly into your notes. Plus it is free, which is always a bonus.

The only criticism I have is that some verb forms are not presented in all their conjugations, for example διδωμι is introduced without explaining how to conjugate the other persons (2nd, 3rd, plural, etc.). I think that it does eventually describe how to conjugate -μι verbs, but certainly not in the same lesson that διδωμι is introduced. And ερχομαι is also introduced way before you learn how to conjugate it properly.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby spiphany » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:16 pm

JACT's "Good Text Guide"
http://www.jact.org/publications/goodte ... tguide.php
A bibliography of annotated Greek and Latin texts published in English-speaking countries. Includes information when available about the type of text (plain text, text with commentary, translation, etc) and how much linguistic help is provided for the student.

Greek Grammar on the Web
https://perswww.kuleuven.be/~u0013314/greekg.htm
Portal site for online resources for learning ancient Greek. Divided by topic (alphabet, dictionaries, grammar, advanced resources, etc)

Enchiridion of metrics
http://classics-laohu.home.mchsi.com/gr ... trics.html
Step-by-step guide to understanding Greek metrics

Ancient Greek Tutorials
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~ancgreek/
Online exercises and tutorials made to accompany Donald Mastronarde's Introduction to Attic Greek

Unicode Classical Greek Inputter
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~tayl0010/polyton ... utter.html
Useful little online page which allows users to type short texts in polytonic Greek without having to install a special program. Type in betacode using the Latin alphabet and the characters will be automatically converted to Greek.

The University of Augsburg's Bibliotheka Augustana
http://www.hs-augsburg.de/~harsch/graec ... alpha.html
Online texts (in html form) of many, many Greek authors from Homer to the Byzantine era. The texts do not include annotations or commentaries of any kind, but the full text (instead of pdf) format is nice for those of us who want to create our own layout for reading.

And I think a couple of pages from Textkit people deserve a mention here:

Edonnelly's master list of Greek and Latin books available in PDF form
http://www.edonnelly.com/google.html

William Annis' articles on Ancient Greek and commentaries on ancient texts
http://www.aoidoi.org/
http://www.scholiastae.org/scholia/Main_Page
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby spiphany » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:20 pm

Oh, and another thought: are we limiting the list to sites that are in English? I know Textkit is English-based, but a number of users here *do* know other languages, and there are some good sites for ancient Greek which aren't in English (eg Egon Gottwein's Greek course for German speakers).
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IPHIGENIE: Das ist's, warum mein blutend Herz nicht heilt.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby IreneY » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:27 pm

Hey thanks guys! Since I'd only received a PM with a lovely suggestion I was thinking of binning the whole project.
No, they don't have to be in English only. We'll just put the other languages under separate headings. Just make sure you mention what language they're in :)
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby pster » Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:26 am

Irene, I'm wondering whether you are open to just getting links or if you also want formatted descriptions? Sometimes I come across something good, but I am too deep in what I am doing to stop and write and post a description and it is more likely than not that I will neither remember nor have the energy to do it when I am done. If you would accept undescribed or loosely described links I would be able to commit to at least one a week if not three. :)
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby Markos » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:08 am

Recently I wrote this on another forum.

[αρτι νυν εγραψα τουτο εν ετερῳ τοπῳ]

Here are my Top Ten Textbooks, in the order that I encountered them.

1. J. Gresham Machen, New Testament Greek for Beginners (the best of it's type, simple, systematic, 100% inductive)
2. Paula Safire, Ancient Greek Alive (wonderfully entertaining stories)
3. Athenaze (excellent free audio available, interesting and easy extended readings introduced early on)
4. Frank Beetham, Reading Greek with Plato (he's the only guy who admits how hard Greek is. He spoon feeds you, but Plato, like cheesecake, tastes good when eaten with a spoon. He has an answer key.)
5. Schoder/Horrigan, A Reading Course in Homeric Greek (more complete and systematic than Pharr or Betham. First half has good made up exercises, then you read real, heavily annotated Homer)
6. Christophe Rico, Polis (best Greek audio ever. He teaches you to speak Greek.)
7. JACT (excellent adapted readings. The audio c.d. is great and not too expensive for what you get.)
8. Gerda Seligson, Greek for Reading (the only book that uses linguistic/grammatical analysis not to pin down the precise meaning of the Greek but to alert you to what makes reading Greek so hard. Lots of good and easy sentences to read.)
9. Assimil, Ancien Grec sans peine (living language but also covers the entire Greek grammar. The audio is pleasant.)
10. C.A.E. Luschnig, An Introduction to Ancient Greek, A Literary Approach (many more exercises than are found in most texts. She also teaches you some conversational stuff. I think she is a she.)
I am writing in Ancient Greek not because I know Greek well, but because I hope that it will improve my fluency in reading. I got the idea for this from Adrianus over on the Latin forum here at Textkit.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby IreneY » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:02 am

Wow! I should soon start the actual resources thread! :D

pster undescribed I don't know, I'd rather not. Loosely described, well, let's see how it goes. Just as long as it's not very loose.
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"So You Want to Learn Ancient Greek on Your Own?"

Postby helios » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:36 pm

http://www.classicalmyth.com/greek/stan ... ponse.html

Free
All periods of Ancient Greek

This is a simple page written by Stephen M. Trzaskoma, Professor of Classics at University of New Hampshire. This page talks about where to start as a beginner. He says, "in my experience less than 5% of those who launch into learning ancient Greek outside of a classroom setting…manage to succed at it," and then goes on to to tell you how to do it if you are still interested. Despite the caution, he has some great advice on where to start.
Keep it rill.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby pster » Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:12 pm

Just a thought Irene. You perhaps should consider compiling a list of Textkit's greatest threads.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby IreneY » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:00 am

It's a good idea (though a daunting task) and, since I should soon start compiling the actual resources, I will look into it.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby margotfajard729 » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:26 am

As a noob of the Greek language. If you could create a sticky post of all of the great resources in textkit then that would be great!
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby IreneY » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:43 am

Yes, it would. Unfortunately we've run into a technical difficulty (there's no way I can input more than 10 links into one message; breaking up the resouces into many messages each containing only 10 links will make the thread cumbersome to navigate). When that problem's solved we will proceed.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby Mesmerized » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:56 pm

First of, I have to give you all credit. I remember learning greek in high school in Europe and I could not get passed the alphabet. I am now older and want to learn it the right way. Any resource you would recommend?
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby Razroct » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:19 am

Here's a great resource to improve your greek grammar: http://greek-language.com/grammar/index.html
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby jimsohan » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:43 pm

Learn Greek Online is a course provided by Kypros-Net in collaboration with the CyBC to teach the modern Greek language online.

Learn Greek Online is currently composed of 105 real audio files (around 15 minutes each), online student notes, a collection of collaborative learning tools and an online greek dictionary and a greek spell checker.

The text version of these lessons has been contributed by students of this course.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby edenbisdee7215 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:51 am

I found a very interesting and useful site for the Greek language. It has everything about the language. I don't see this material before which has placed on this site. I have seen exercises, literacy text and helping links and a dictionary on this site. I think this is a nice site for those people those are interested in Greek language.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby bedwere » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:41 pm

The Academia Vivarium Novum has three pages with links to downloadable books to learn Greek (and Latin) in alternative ways:

Libri

The text of the pages is in Italian, but I don't think it will be difficult for those who don't speak the language.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby stephenesherman » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:51 pm

A Short Grammar of Attic Greek, by Francis M. Connell, 1919

Reprint editions available for approximately $15

Covers Attic Greek.

This 196 page grammar covers most of what I have encountered in Attic Greek prose, and is a much more convenient size, for reference purposes, than Smyth. It is not a replacement for Smyth, a copy of which I will be buried with. :) But for quick reference and paradigm memorization, it's great. And the margins are wide enough for pencilled-in additions and notes.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby chalimac » Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:12 am

Best resource ever (if you can read french):

Classical greek and latin authors in XIX c. editions with literal word-for-word translation and running translation:

http://juxta.free.fr/
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/search.h ... iqu%C3%A9s
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby daivid » Sat May 25, 2013 5:29 pm

Polis by Christophe Rico
Available in French, German and Italian but not English. I got the Italian version because it was cheapest even though I know almost no Italian - that it hasn't been a problem for me but it might be more tricky for a complete beginner.

The readings (for which audio is included) are specially written with humor and are used to illustrate the grammar being taught. Hence the second lesson has an aorist imperative on almost every line.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby Markos » Sun May 26, 2013 4:25 pm

daivid:
Polis by Christophe Rico
Available in French, German and Italian but not English.


It is strange that an English version has not yet appeared. Can we take this to mean that Europeans are more supportive of Living Language Methods than Americans and Canadians and Australians, not to mention Brits? On the other hand, I've heard that a second edition, with new material, is forthcoming, and this will be available in English.

Your are correct that intermediate Greek learners don't need an English translation anyway, since the whole idea is to stick to the target language.

What, Daivid, do you think of the book so far?
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby daivid » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:11 pm

Greek to GCSE by John Taylor, 2 volumes
The first volume is about 10GBP and the second will be closer 20.
Classical Attic Greek
Conventional mix of grammar explanations, exercises and adapted readings.
Grammar explanations very clear and concise
Exercises keep strictly to the core vocabulary so you can focus on the target grammar.
The books can be easily held in one hand.
(the key is available only by writing to John Taylor at the address in Vol 1 - took about 2 months for me)
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Re: Resources suggestions-The Perseus collection

Postby Dorothy » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:14 pm

Are people aware of the Perseus Collection of Greek and Roman Materials? Tests with links to translations and notes. For some texts It is possible to have the text, translation and notes pulled up at the same time.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/col ... reco-Roman

Included are also digital lexica: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/res ... direct=tru
It is a bit fussy entering the letters, but, for example, if you enter: starting with: aggel, it brings up a lot of variations, and references not just to Liddell and Scott, but to a Homeric Dictionary and a Lexicon to Pindar. and if you enter a form you don't know, say, for a simple example h(=gon it will send you to a site that helps you figure it out.If these links don't work, just google the Perseus Project.
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Re: Resources suggestions

Postby akhnaten » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:44 pm

I have been planning my reading of Greek and have found several sources that may be appreciated here...It is mostly introductory level content. Everything is free.

Online Course in Koine Greek using Clayton Croy's A Primer on Biblical Greek. Course designed by Laura Gibbs in 2005 for students studying Greek online, going through Croy's text in 15 weeks. Most materials are still available: http://www.mythfolklore.net/bibgreek/

Athenaze - materials related to the Athenaze textbook
1) Athenaze Book I, rev. ed. - can be (legally) found through free online lending library, http://www.openlibrary.org (requires registration): https://openlibrary.org/works/OL1682541W/Athenaze
2) Athenaze Teacher's Manual, Book I, rev. ed. - also found (legally) through OpenLibrary's lending initiative: https://openlibrary.org/works/OL11320111W/Athenaze
3) Third-Party Resources for Athenaze
a) Cornell University website (audio, additional readings, historical information, etc.): http://www.cornellcollege.edu/classical_studies/ariadne/index.shtml
b) University of Victoria website (many additional exercises in vocabulary and grammar, some additional reading exercises): http://web.uvic.ca/hrd/greek/
c) individual who has shared personal study materials on Athenaze; this may be useful, but I try to use sites related to university courses, as it is more likely errors will be found and corrected if they exist: http://leserables.tripod.com/
d) University of Georgia "Homework Text" to accompany Athenaze vol1: provides additional exercises, explanation and vocabulary (available via scribd):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/81249404/GREK-1001-Text

Annotated Greek Text
1) Geoffrey Steadman's digital editions of Greek and Latin texts: http://geoffreysteadman.com/
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