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(Attic) Greek Perfect

Postby jm15xy » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:25 am

I would like to know if anyone can explain to me which moods of the perfect have simple forms and which are formed periphrasitically.

For sure, the perfect indicative active, pluperfect active, perfect indicative middle-passive, pluperfect middle-passive, and perfect imperative middle-passive are formed from the fourth and fifth principal parts, but what about the perfect subjunctive active, perfect optative active, and perfect imperative active? I consult certain grammars and I find periphrases with εἶναι and the perfect participles, but other grammars with simple forms and variations of these simple forms.

I'm quite confused and I was wondering if anyone could help me with this.
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Re: (Attic) Greek Perfect

Postby NateD26 » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:16 am

I've checked Smyth (though I'm sure you have as well) and found that in section 599,
he summed up the cases in which the perfect periphrastic forms are used.

under c. he said that the regular forms for subj. and opt.
are very rare (both active and med-pass; see 708,710).

under g. he said that "the imperative of all voices may be expressed" periphrastically
(in 697 he noted that classical Attic writers didn't use the simple forms [of the active that is]).
He also gave an example of med-pass pf. part. with imperative of εἶναι from Plato's Laws (see 712-714).
Nate.
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Re: (Attic) Greek Perfect

Postby jm15xy » Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:50 am

Thank you, I will read it more carefully.
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Re: (Attic) Greek Perfect

Postby Santiago Smith » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:54 pm

an off the topic question though, what is a really good program to learn Greek, im thinking about going to Greece, i heard Rosetta stone was pretty good.You seem to know about the language, what do you think?
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