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Postby Bert » Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:54 am

I was on Perseus, checking out what form [face=SPIonic]pro/es [/face] (Iliad 1:127) is and it said: "aor imperat act 2nd raw_preverb.
I don't have any idea what 'raw_preverb' means. Can someone tell me please?

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Postby Paul » Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:16 am

Hi Bert,

The term 'preverb' means an element, typically a preposition or augment, prefixed to a verb. I think Perseus must be refering to the [face=SPIonic]pro/[/face] in [face=SPIonic]pro/ej[/face]. The latter is 2nd singular aorist2 imperative active of [face=SPIonic]proi+/hmi[/face].

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Postby Bert » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:35 am

Thank you Paul;
What does the 'raw_' mean then?
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Postby Paul » Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:30 am

Bert wrote:What does the 'raw_' mean then?


Hi Bert,

Perhaps to distinguish it from a 'cooked_preverb'. In otherwords, I have no idea. :)

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Postby Bert » Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:55 pm

If by chance I see an entry on Perseus that says 'cooked verb', at least I'll know that I don't have to ask you :)
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Postby Skylax » Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:29 am

about the a)mp- (<amfi/) of ampe/xw they say "dissimilation elide_preverb"
about the e)n- of e)nba/llein : "poetic raw_preverb"

"raw_preverb" appears also for :
prou)/xousa (= pro+e)/xousa)
proi/sthmi
perie/ballon (but not for periba/llw)
perii/sthmi

"raw_preverb" = non-elided or unaltered although it could have been???
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Postby Dionusius Philadelphus » Sat Dec 27, 2003 10:19 pm

Raw preverb simply means that the combining element hasn't changed phonetically. You're right on there. The case of ἀμπέχω is wholly different. This is explained by Grassmann's law (applicable in Greek and Sanskrit), which states that when two aspirated stops occur in the same word, the first is dissimilated to its unaspirated equivalent. So ἀμφ' + ἔχω produces ἀμπέχω.

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Postby Keesa » Sat Dec 27, 2003 10:34 pm

Oh, is that what it means?! I came across that term (raw preverb) in my reading a while ago, but I couldn't make heads or tails of what the book was talking about... It makes so much sense when you explain it that way.

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