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Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby tico » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:30 pm

Hi,

Does anybody know if there's a book explaining the Greek grammar using classical greek, i.e. a Greek grammar in Classical Greek?

Thanks.
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Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby KramerKram » Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:13 am

Art of Grammar - Τέχνη Γραμματική

Here it is on Archive with way too many notes. Makes it almost unreadable.

Can't really tell you much about these, but here is some other stuff I have stumbled upon:
Grammatikē tēs archaias Hēllēnikēs glōssēs
Dialogoi peri grammatikēs
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Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby annis » Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:29 am

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Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby Markos » Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:58 am

Christophe Rico's new book Polis, while not exactly a traditional grammar, is an introduction to Greek which is entirely in Ancient Greek (and a little French.) He includes a complete list of grammaitcal terms in Greek. He does not go deep into grammar by design, since his approach is Living Language Methods, but if you are looking to read about Ancient Greek in Anceint Greek, he is your homme.
I am writing in Ancient Greek not because I know Greek well, but because I hope that it will improve my fluency in reading. I got the idea for this from Adrianus over on the Latin forum here at Textkit.
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Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby KramerKram » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:06 pm



Nice one. Thanks for the link.
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Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby tico » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:07 pm

Thanks for the tips. If somebody else knows other books or texts of this type, please let me know.

KramerKram wrote:Can't really tell you much about these, but here is some other stuff I have stumbled upon:
Grammatikē tēs archaias Hēllēnikēs glōssēs
Dialogoi peri grammatikēs


It seems to me that they are written in Modern Greek (of the XIXth century, of course), because they use the particle να (<ἵνα) and εἶναι as the 3rd p. singular, not as infinitive.

Thanks once more for the tips.
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Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby modus.irrealis » Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:08 am

Yes, they're both in Modern Greek (Katharevousa to be more precise) and the second one in fact is a grammar of Modern Greek, although of the sort of Katharevousa where it's hard to tell the difference sometimes, especially with declension, but it's clearer when you look at conjugation. The first one covers both Ancient and Modern in parallel.
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Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby jk0592 » Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:46 am

In a similar vein, is there an ancient greek dictionary written in ancient greek?
When I read French, i use a French dictionary. When reading English, an English dictionary is called for, an English/French dictionary is not necessary.
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Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby edonnelly » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:52 pm

jk0592 wrote:is there an ancient greek dictionary written in ancient greek?


You might find this past thread to be useful:

http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9043
The lists:
G'Oogle and the Internet Pharrchive - 1100 or so free Latin and Greek books.
DownLOEBables - Free books from the Loeb Classical Library
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Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby cb » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:41 pm

hi, some others are:

- (grk-grk dictionaries) the etymologicon magnum and the ancient lexica in vol 1 of bekker's anecdota graeca (some of these are quite interesting to read: e.g. the first lexicon is full of little notes saying how often the author uses the words just defined):

etymologicon magnum: http://books.google.com/books?id=AOwqAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA5
vol 1 of bekker's anecdota graeca: http://books.google.com/books?id=y5sQAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA3

- (grammars) apollonius dyscolus' syntax and the ancient grammars in vol 2 of bekker's anecdota graeca:

apollonius dyscolus' syntax: http://schmidhauser.us/docs/apollonius- ... syntax.pdf
vol 2 of bekker's anecdota graeca: http://books.google.com/books?id=QeAgAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA473

- (verb/noun paradigms) the canons of theodosius in vol 3 of bekker's anecdota graeca:

http://books.google.com/books?id=yJoQAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA975

then, there are lots of ancient grammatical texts and lexica on specific authors. Some of these are listed in dickey's 2007 book on ancient grk scholarship:

http://books.google.com/books?id=GELENdZB_L0C

cheers, chad :)
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Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby tico » Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:47 pm

modus.irrealis wrote:Yes, they're both in Modern Greek (Katharevousa to be more precise)


hey modus.irrealis,

Do you know if Katharevousa is still learnt/used in Greece nowadays?

Thanks.
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Re: Greek grammar in Ancient Greek?

Postby modus.irrealis » Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:48 pm

tico wrote:Do you know if Katharevousa is still learnt/used in Greece nowadays?

Hopefully someone chimes in with more direct knowledge but what I know is that officially it's been phased out -- not that long ago though: I have a study guide from the seventies that uses a light version of katharevousa. There are some holdouts -- I'm looking at the Patriarchate of Constantinople's website (technically not in Greece) and it uses archaizing forms a lot, although the Church of Greece's website does only rarely. But katharevousa did have an extensive influence on Modern Greek, especially vocabulary, so you can sort of say that it's used everywhere. I remember when I first went to Greece, the official names of the stores were all different from the names I had learned and that people seemed to actually use, like I knew the butcher shop as χασάπικο but on signs they had κρεοπωλείο.
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