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18. τοῦ Ἰακώβου τοῦ Μαδισόνος Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?
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οὐκMarkos wrote:18. τοῦ Ἰακώβου τοῦ Μαδισόνος Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?
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18α. τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ Ἰέφφηρς τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?
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οὐκMarkos wrote:18α. τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ Ἰέφφηρς τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?
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18β. τοῦ πρώτου Ἰωάννου Ἄδαμς τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?
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οὐκMarkos wrote:18β. τοῦ πρώτου Ἰωάννου Ἄδαμς τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?
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18γ. τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ οὗτος?
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ναὶMarkos wrote:18γ. τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ οὗτος?
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θ. (9.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ πρώτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?Timothée wrote:...τῷ πέμπτῳ καὶ ἑξηκοστῷ ἔτει Ἐλισάβετ βασιλευούσης...
ι. (10.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ δευτέρῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
ια. (11.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ τρίτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
ιβ. (12.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ τετάρτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
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οὐκMarkos wrote:θ. (9.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ πρώτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?Timothée wrote:...τῷ πέμπτῳ καὶ ἑξηκοστῷ ἔτει Ἐλισάβετ βασιλευούσης...
οὐκMarkos wrote: ι. (10.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ δευτέρῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
οὐκMarkos wrote:ια. (11.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ τρίτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
ναίMarkos wrote:ιβ. (12.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ τετάρτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
Even though the first presidency began 2 months late I am assuming it began on the official date of 4th March.
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13. ὁ Λίγγων (τελέως) τοὺς δούλους ἤθελε λυθῆναι. ἆρα οὗτος ἤθελε τοὺς δούλους λυθῆναι?
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ναὶ δήMarkos wrote:13. ὁ Λίγγων (τελέως) τοὺς δούλους ἤθελε λυθῆναι. ἆρα οὗτος ἤθελε τοὺς δούλους λυθῆναι?
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14. χωλὸς ἦν ὁ ἀνήρ?
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19. Θαδδαῖον τοῦ Στεφάνου ἐν νῷ ἔχεις?
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ναί. εὖ ἐλιπάρησεν.Markos wrote:19. Θαδδαῖον τοῦ Στεφάνου ἐν νῷ ἔχεις?
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νενίκηκα οὖν ἐγώ.daivid wrote:ναί.Markos wrote:19. Θαδδαῖον τοῦ Στεφάνου ἐν νῷ ἔχεις?
That was a good game. Thaddeus Stevens was a good choice, famous but not obvious. I agree that Stevens and Clay were συστασιώται not only because Stevens was a sometime Whig, but I think in his heart of hearts Clay was anti-slavery. Stevens we might call the Great Uncompromiser.
I can't think of a more influential American legislator who never ran for President. I suppose Stevens' disability would have prevented a serious run.
εὐχαριστῶ σοι ὑπὲρ τοῦ παιγνίου. πάλιν δὲ ταχέως παίζωμεν. ἔρρωσο.
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Markos wrote: εὐχαριστῶ σοι ὑπὲρ τοῦ παιγνίου. πάλιν δὲ ταχέως παίζωμεν. ἔρρωσο.
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1) ἆρα οὗτος ἐγεννήθη ἔμπροσθεν τοῦ πρώτου ἔτους τοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
2) ἆρα οὗτος ἦν ῥήτωρ ἤ ἄρχων?
3) ἆρα οὗτος ἐγεννήθη ἐν Ἀσίᾳ?
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καλῶς. ἄλλον παίγνιον παίζωμεν.
ἄνθρωπόν τινα ἔχω ἐν νῷ.
ἄνθρωπόν τινα ἔχω ἐν νῷ.
ναί.daivid wrote:1) ἆρα οὗτος ἐγεννήθη ἔμπροσθεν τοῦ πρώτου ἔτους τοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
οὔτε ῥήτωρ οὔτε ἄρχων οὗτος/αὕτη ἦν. ἀλλὰ νόμους τινας ἔμαθε.daivid wrote:2) ἆρα οὗτος ἦν ῥήτωρ ἤ ἄρχων?
οὔ.daivid wrote:3) ἆρα οὗτος ἐγεννήθη ἐν Ἀσίᾳ?
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4. ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τῆς τοῦ Ἅστιγγς μαχῆς.
5. ἆρα ἐγεννήθη ἐν τῇ ἄρκτῳ τὰς Ἀθηναίας
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ναί. μετὰ ταύτην τὴν μαχὴν ἐγεννήθη.daivid wrote:
4. ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τῆς τοῦ Ἅστιγγς μαχῆς.
πάνυ γε. ἡ γὰρ πατρὶς αὐτοῦ/ αὐτῆς πρὸς βορρᾶν τῶν Ἀθηνῶν ἐστιν.daivid wrote:
5. ἆρα ἐγεννήθη ἐν τῇ ἄρκτῳ τὰς Ἀθηναίας
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6) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τῆς τοῦ Βοσουορθου Πεδίου (οὗ ὁ Ρικαρδ ὁ τρίτος ἐτελεύτησε);
7) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη ἐν χώρᾳ πρὸς βορὰν τῆς Λευκετίας;
8 - ) ἆρα χριστιανός ἦν;
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οὔ. ἐγεννήθη γὰρ πρὸ τοῦ θανάτου τοῦ Ῥίκαρδ τοῦ τρίτου.daivid wrote:6) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τῆς τοῦ Βοσουορθου Πεδίου (οὗ ὁ Ρικαρδ ὁ τρίτος ἐτελεύτησε);
ναί.daivid wrote:7) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη ἐν χώρᾳ πρὸς βορὰν τῆς Λευκετίας;
χριστιανὸς ἦν ὁ ἀνὴρ/χριστιανὴ ἦν ἡ γυνή.daivid wrote:(8) ἆρα χριστιανός ἦν;
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9)ἆρα ἐγεννήθη πρὸς ἀνατολὴν τῆς Ῥώμης;
10) ἆρα ἔγραψε βίβλος ἤ βίβλοι;
11)ὑπὸ ἀνθρώπου ἦ ἀνθρώπων ἀπέθανε;
12) ἆρα ἧν ἱερευς;
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ναί, πρὸς ἀνατολὴν τῆς Ῥωμῆς ἐστιν ἡ γῆ ἐν ᾗ ἐγεννήθη.daivid wrote:
9)ἆρα ἐγεννήθη πρὸς ἀνατολὴν τῆς Ῥώμης;
πάνυ γε. βίβλους γὰρ ἔγραψε.daivid wrote:
10) ἆρα ἔγραψε βίβλος ἤ βίβλοι;
οὐδαμῶς. οὐδεὶς γὰρ ἄνθρωπος αὐτὸν/ αὐτὴν ἀπέκτεινεν.daivid wrote:
11)ὑπὸ ἀνθρώπου ἦ ἀνθρώπων ἀπέθανε;
ναί καὶ οὔ. ἔμαθε γὰρ εἶναι ἱερεύς, ἀλλ' οὔποτε ἡ ἐργασία αὐτοῦ ἱερεὺς ἦν. (καὶ νῦν οἶδας ὅτι γυνή οὐκ ἦν. μόνοι γὰρ ἄνδρες δύνονται ἱερεῖς γενέσθαι.)daivid wrote:
12) ἆρα ἧν ἱερευς;
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ἆρα ἀπέθανε μέτα τῆς ὑπὸ τοῦ Μαὁμετ ἁλώσεως τῆς Βυζαντίου (τῆς νέας Ῥώμης);
ἆρα ἐγεννήθη πρὸς ἀνατολὴν τῆς Ἀθηναίων;
ἆρα ἔγραψε βίβλον πέρι θεοῦ;
ἆρα ἐγεννήθη πρὸς ἀνατολὴν τῆς Ἀθηναίων;
ἆρα ἔγραψε βίβλον πέρι θεοῦ;
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ναί. ἀπέθανε μετὰ τὴν ἅλωσιν τῆς Βυζαντίου. (τοῦτο μαθέ. μετὰ τοῦ Χ σημαίνει σὺν τῷ Χ. μετὰ τὸν Χ σημαίνει οὐ πρὸ τοῦ Χ.)daivid wrote: 13) ἆρα ἀπέθανε μέτα τῆς ὑπὸ τοῦ Μαὁμετ ἁλώσεως τῆς Βυζαντίου (τῆς νέας Ῥώμης);
οὔ.daivid wrote: 14) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη πρὸς ἀνατολὴν τῆς Ἀθηναίων;
ναί, ἀλλὰ οὐ περὶ θεοῦ μόνου. ἔγραφε δὲ περὶ τῶν ὑπὸ θεοῦ ποιημένων.daivid wrote: 15) ἆρα ἔγραψε βίβλον πέρι θεοῦ;
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15) ἆρα ὁ τούτου πατὴρ ἦν ἄρχων;
16) ἆρα οὕτος ποτὲ ἦν στρατιώτης;
17)ἆρα ἐγεννήθε μέτα τὴν ἁλῶσιν τοῦ Βυζαντίου;
16) ἆρα οὕτος ποτὲ ἦν στρατιώτης;
χάριν σοι οἴδαMarkos wrote:ναί. ἀπέθανε μετὰ τὴν ἅλωσιν τῆς Βυζαντίου. (τοῦτο μαθέ. μετὰ τοῦ Χ σημαίνει σὺν τῷ Χ. μετὰ τὸν Χ σημαίνει οὐ πρὸ τοῦ Χ.)
17)ἆρα ἐγεννήθε μέτα τὴν ἁλῶσιν τοῦ Βυζαντίου;
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οὔ.daivid wrote:15) ἆρα ὁ τούτου πατὴρ ἦν ἄρχων;
οὔτε στρατιώτης οὔτε στρατηγὸς ἦν. αὐτὸς γὰρ ἐν μαχῇ οὐδέπω ἐπολέμησε. μόνον τοῦτο τι ἐποίησε. συνεβουλεύει τοῖς στρατιώταις ἐν πολέμῳ τινί.daivid wrote:16) ἆρα οὕτος ποτὲ ἦν στρατιώτης;
ναί. τὸ δὲ ἑξῆς νῦν εὖ οἶδας:daivid wrote:17)ἆρα ἐγεννήθε μέτα τὴν ἁλῶσιν τοῦ Βυζαντίου;
ἕν. ἡ τοῦ Βυζαντίου ἅλωσις ὑπὸ τῶν Μυσλύμων.
δύο. ἐγεννήθη.
τρία. ὁ τοῦ Ῥίκαρδ τοῦ τρίτου θάνατος.
τέσσαρα. ἀπέθανε.
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18 ) ἆρα ἡ πρώτη γλῶσσα αὐτοῦ ἦν γερμανική;
19) ἆρα ἔγραψε μῦθον;
19.1) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τὸν θαντον τὸν τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Νεβιλλουhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Neville_(bishop)
19) ἆρα ἔγραψε μῦθον;
19.1) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τὸν θαντον τὸν τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Νεβιλλουhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Neville_(bishop)
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daivid wrote:18 ) ἆρα ἡ πρώτη γλῶσσα αὐτοῦ ἦν γερμανική;
ναί. πρῶτον Γερμανικῇ ἐλάλει οὗτος.
daivid wrote:19) ἆρα ἔγραψε μῦθον;
μῦθον καλὸν ἔγραψεν ὁ ἀνήρ, ἀλλὰ πότερον ἀληθὴς ὁ μῦθός ἐστιν ἢ οὔκ, ἔγωγε οὐκ οἶδα. μόνος γὰρ Θεὸς οἶδε.
οὔ. πρὸ γὰρ τοῦ θανάτου Γεωργοῦ Νεβιλλου ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνὴρ οὗτος ὃν σύ οὐ δύνασαι ὀνομάζειν.daivid wrote:19.1) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τὸν θαντον τὸν τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Νεβιλλουhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Neville_(bishop)
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οὗτος μὲν οὐκ ἐχλεύαζε τοὺς ἐχθροὺς αὐτοῦ, οἱ δ' ἐχλεύαζον τοῦτον.daivid wrote:
ἆρα ἐχλεύαζον τοὺς ἐχθροὺς αὐτῷ;
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19.3 ἆρα μετήγαγον βίβλον ἀπὸ τῆς ἑλληνικοῦ γλώσσης;
19.4 ἆρα ἐγεννήθη δεκὰ ἐτεὰ μέτα τὴν ἁλῶσιν τοῦ Βυζαντίου ἤ μᾶλλον;
19.4 ἆρα ἐγεννήθη δεκὰ ἐτεὰ μέτα τὴν ἁλῶσιν τοῦ Βυζαντίου ἤ μᾶλλον;
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πῶς γὰρ οὔ; (λεγω ναί.) Ἑλληνιστὶ γὰρ ἔγνω οὗτος.daivid wrote:ἑπτακαίδεκα (17.) ἆρα μετήγαγον βίβλον ἀπὸ τῆς ἑλληνικοῦ γλώσσης;
οὔκ.daivid wrote: ὀκτωκαίδεκα (18.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη δεκὰ ἐτεὰ μέτα τὴν ἁλῶσιν τοῦ Βυζαντίου;
ναί.daivid wrote:ἐννεακαίδεκα (19.)...ἤ μᾶλλον;
μόνον ἓν ἄλλο ἐρώτημα ἔχεις σύ.
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οὐκ οἴδα ἀλλὰ μόνον ἐρώτημα ἔχων εἰκάζω ὄτι εστι Νικόλαος Κοπερνικος.Markos wrote: μόνον ἓν ἄλλο ἐρώτημα ἔχεις σύ.
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ναί! ὡς μάλιστα. Κοπέρνικός ἐστιν ὁ ἀνὴρ. νενίκηκας οὖν.daivid wrote:οὐκ οἴδα ἀλλὰ μόνον ἐρώτημα ἔχων εἰκάζω ὄτι εστι Νικόλαος Κοπερνικος.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions
χάριν σοι οἴδα διὰ το παίγνιον.Markos wrote:ναί! ὡς μάλιστα. Κοπέρνικός ἐστιν ὁ ἀνὴρ. νενίκηκας οὖν.daivid wrote:οὐκ οἴδα ἀλλὰ μόνον ἐρώτημα ἔχων εἰκάζω ὄτι εστι Νικόλαος Κοπερνικος.
When I chose Thaddeus Stevens I didn't think he would be difficult when you chose Henry Clay and Webster I realized while no one feels the need to explain who they are they do feel the need to do that for Stevens.
Kopernikus is similar - famous but not the first person to come to mind. Indeed for quite some time I was expecting it to be Martin Luther. I didn't know he wrote fiction though - what did he write? Or did I misunderstand you.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions
καὶ σοῖγε ἐγὼ χάριν οἶδα, φίλε Δαυίδ.daivid wrote: χάριν σοι οἴδα διὰ το παίγνιον.
Luther and Copernicus separated at birth? Their lives were quite similar in terms of demographics, education, language (German and Greek!) scorn received and vindication acquired. At least one of them changed the world for the better.daivid wrote:Indeed for quite some time I was expecting it to be Martin Luther.
I think Whitehead would say that heliocentrism is a proposition more interesting than true.daivid wrote:I didn't know he wrote fiction though...
It's funny, you and I have written enough Greek to each other over the years that even though Copernicus did hold some minor administrative posts, I knew that it would not confuse you to say that he was not an ἄρχων. μικρός ἄρχων, maybe. Is there such a word as ἀρχίον? There is now.
I am really impressed with your ability to comprehend and produce Greek. Keep it up.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions
In the sense that all movement is relative, well yes. But to calculate the movement to the planets is a nightmare if you take the earth as the fixed point - as Ptolemy found.Markos wrote:I think Whitehead would say that heliocentrism is a proposition more interesting than true.daivid wrote:I didn't know he wrote fiction though...
I did worry some of my answers to you which were intended to be helpful were just confusing. Like saying Stevens was an extreme northerner - could mean he lived in Maine. Further in a sense he was a radical because he was more pro south - ie the south of the former slaves and southern unionists.Markos wrote:It's funny, you and I have written enough Greek to each other over the years that even though Copernicus did hold some minor administrative posts, I knew that it would not confuse you to say that he was not an ἄρχων. μικρός ἄρχων, maybe. Is there such a word as ἀρχίον? There is now.
But if I did make it harder inadvertently the result was a system of dating by presidential year which I hope to use. Thanks.
Thanks.Markos wrote:I am really impressed with your ability to comprehend and produce Greek. Keep it up.
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