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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:46 pm

18. τοῦ Ἰακώβου τοῦ Μαδισόνος Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:18. τοῦ Ἰακώβου τοῦ Μαδισόνος Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:55 pm

18α. τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ Ἰέφφηρς τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:18α. τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ Ἰέφφηρς τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:52 pm

18β. τοῦ πρώτου Ἰωάννου Ἄδαμς τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:18β. τοῦ πρώτου Ἰωάννου Ἄδαμς τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ?

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:33 pm

18γ. τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ οὗτος?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:18γ. τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον Ἄρχοντος ὄντος, ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνήρ οὗτος?

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:00 pm

Timothée wrote:...τῷ πέμπτῳ καὶ ἑξηκοστῷ ἔτει Ἐλισάβετ βασιλευούσης...

θ. (9.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ πρώτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
ι. (10.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ δευτέρῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
ια. (11.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ τρίτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
ιβ. (12.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ τετάρτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:13 pm

Markos wrote:
Timothée wrote:...τῷ πέμπτῳ καὶ ἑξηκοστῷ ἔτει Ἐλισάβετ βασιλευούσης...

θ. (9.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ πρώτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?

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Markos wrote: ι. (10.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ δευτέρῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?

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Markos wrote:ια. (11.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ τρίτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?

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Markos wrote:ιβ. (12.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος τῷ τετάρτῳ ἔτει τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?

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Even though the first presidency began 2 months late I am assuming it began on the official date of 4th March.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:45 pm

13. ὁ Λίγγων (τελέως) τοὺς δούλους ἤθελε λυθῆναι. ἆρα οὗτος ἤθελε τοὺς δούλους λυθῆναι?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:13. ὁ Λίγγων (τελέως) τοὺς δούλους ἤθελε λυθῆναι. ἆρα οὗτος ἤθελε τοὺς δούλους λυθῆναι?

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:48 pm

14. χωλὸς ἦν ὁ ἀνήρ?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:14. χωλὸς ἦν ὁ ἀνήρ?

ναί. νῶν οἶσθα :)
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:03 pm

19. Θαδδαῖον τοῦ Στεφάνου ἐν νῷ ἔχεις?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:22 pm

Markos wrote:19. Θαδδαῖον τοῦ Στεφάνου ἐν νῷ ἔχεις?

ναί. εὖ ἐλιπάρησεν.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:53 pm

daivid wrote:
Markos wrote:19. Θαδδαῖον τοῦ Στεφάνου ἐν νῷ ἔχεις?

ναί.

νενίκηκα οὖν ἐγώ. :D

That was a good game. Thaddeus Stevens was a good choice, famous but not obvious. I agree that Stevens and Clay were συστασιώται not only because Stevens was a sometime Whig, but I think in his heart of hearts Clay was anti-slavery. Stevens we might call the Great Uncompromiser. :D

I can't think of a more influential American legislator who never ran for President. I suppose Stevens' disability would have prevented a serious run.

εὐχαριστῶ σοι ὑπὲρ τοῦ παιγνίου. πάλιν δὲ ταχέως παίζωμεν. ἔρρωσο.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:23 pm

Markos wrote:εὐχαριστῶ σοι ὑπὲρ τοῦ παιγνίου. πάλιν δὲ ταχέως παίζωμεν. ἔρρωσο.
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1) ἆρα οὗτος ἐγεννήθη ἔμπροσθεν τοῦ πρώτου ἔτους τοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?
2) ἆρα οὗτος ἦν ῥήτωρ ἤ ἄρχων?
3) ἆρα οὗτος ἐγεννήθη ἐν Ἀσίᾳ?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:04 pm

καλῶς. ἄλλον παίγνιον παίζωμεν.

ἄνθρωπόν τινα ἔχω ἐν νῷ.
daivid wrote:1) ἆρα οὗτος ἐγεννήθη ἔμπροσθεν τοῦ πρώτου ἔτους τοῦ Οὐάσσιγγτον τοῦ Ἄρχοντος ὄντος?

ναί.
daivid wrote:2) ἆρα οὗτος ἦν ῥήτωρ ἤ ἄρχων?

οὔτε ῥήτωρ οὔτε ἄρχων οὗτος/αὕτη ἦν. ἀλλὰ νόμους τινας ἔμαθε.
daivid wrote:3) ἆρα οὗτος ἐγεννήθη ἐν Ἀσίᾳ?

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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4. ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τῆς τοῦ Ἅστιγγς μαχῆς.
5. ἆρα ἐγεννήθη ἐν τῇ ἄρκτῳ τὰς Ἀθηναίας
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:56 pm

daivid wrote:
4. ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τῆς τοῦ Ἅστιγγς μαχῆς.

ναί. μετὰ ταύτην τὴν μαχὴν ἐγεννήθη.
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5. ἆρα ἐγεννήθη ἐν τῇ ἄρκτῳ τὰς Ἀθηναίας

πάνυ γε. ἡ γὰρ πατρὶς αὐτοῦ/ αὐτῆς πρὸς βορρᾶν τῶν Ἀθηνῶν ἐστιν.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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6) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τῆς τοῦ Βοσουορθου Πεδίου (οὗ ὁ Ρικαρδ ὁ τρίτος ἐτελεύτησε);
7) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη ἐν χώρᾳ πρὸς βορὰν τῆς Λευκετίας;
8 - ) ἆρα χριστιανός ἦν;
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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daivid wrote:6) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τῆς τοῦ Βοσουορθου Πεδίου (οὗ ὁ Ρικαρδ ὁ τρίτος ἐτελεύτησε);

οὔ. ἐγεννήθη γὰρ πρὸ τοῦ θανάτου τοῦ Ῥίκαρδ τοῦ τρίτου.
daivid wrote:7) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη ἐν χώρᾳ πρὸς βορὰν τῆς Λευκετίας;

ναί.
daivid wrote:(8) ἆρα χριστιανός ἦν;

χριστιανὸς ἦν ὁ ἀνὴρ/χριστιανὴ ἦν ἡ γυνή.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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9)ἆρα ἐγεννήθη πρὸς ἀνατολὴν τῆς Ῥώμης;
10) ἆρα ἔγραψε βίβλος ἤ βίβλοι;
11)ὑπὸ ἀνθρώπου ἦ ἀνθρώπων ἀπέθανε;
12) ἆρα ἧν ἱερευς;
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:19 pm

daivid wrote:
9)ἆρα ἐγεννήθη πρὸς ἀνατολὴν τῆς Ῥώμης;

ναί, πρὸς ἀνατολὴν τῆς Ῥωμῆς ἐστιν ἡ γῆ ἐν ᾗ ἐγεννήθη.
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10) ἆρα ἔγραψε βίβλος ἤ βίβλοι;

πάνυ γε. βίβλους γὰρ ἔγραψε.
daivid wrote:
11)ὑπὸ ἀνθρώπου ἦ ἀνθρώπων ἀπέθανε;

οὐδαμῶς. οὐδεὶς γὰρ ἄνθρωπος αὐτὸν/ αὐτὴν ἀπέκτεινεν.
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12) ἆρα ἧν ἱερευς;

ναί καὶ οὔ. ἔμαθε γὰρ εἶναι ἱερεύς, ἀλλ' οὔποτε ἡ ἐργασία αὐτοῦ ἱερεὺς ἦν. (καὶ νῦν οἶδας ὅτι γυνή οὐκ ἦν. μόνοι γὰρ ἄνδρες δύνονται ἱερεῖς γενέσθαι.)
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:51 pm

ἆρα ἀπέθανε μέτα τῆς ὑπὸ τοῦ Μαὁμετ ἁλώσεως τῆς Βυζαντίου (τῆς νέας Ῥώμης);
ἆρα ἐγεννήθη πρὸς ἀνατολὴν τῆς Ἀθηναίων;
ἆρα ἔγραψε βίβλον πέρι θεοῦ;
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:24 pm

daivid wrote: 13) ἆρα ἀπέθανε μέτα τῆς ὑπὸ τοῦ Μαὁμετ ἁλώσεως τῆς Βυζαντίου (τῆς νέας Ῥώμης);

ναί. ἀπέθανε μετὰ τὴν ἅλωσιν τῆς Βυζαντίου. (τοῦτο μαθέ. μετὰ τοῦ Χ σημαίνει σὺν τῷ Χ. μετὰ τὸν Χ σημαίνει οὐ πρὸ τοῦ Χ.)
daivid wrote: 14) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη πρὸς ἀνατολὴν τῆς Ἀθηναίων;

οὔ.
daivid wrote: 15) ἆρα ἔγραψε βίβλον πέρι θεοῦ;

ναί, ἀλλὰ οὐ περὶ θεοῦ μόνου. ἔγραφε δὲ περὶ τῶν ὑπὸ θεοῦ ποιημένων.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:49 pm

15) ἆρα ὁ τούτου πατὴρ ἦν ἄρχων;
16) ἆρα οὕτος ποτὲ ἦν στρατιώτης;

Markos wrote:ναί. ἀπέθανε μετὰ τὴν ἅλωσιν τῆς Βυζαντίου. (τοῦτο μαθέ. μετὰ τοῦ Χ σημαίνει σὺν τῷ Χ. μετὰ τὸν Χ σημαίνει οὐ πρὸ τοῦ Χ.)

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17)ἆρα ἐγεννήθε μέτα τὴν ἁλῶσιν τοῦ Βυζαντίου;
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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daivid wrote:15) ἆρα ὁ τούτου πατὴρ ἦν ἄρχων;

οὔ.
daivid wrote:16) ἆρα οὕτος ποτὲ ἦν στρατιώτης;

οὔτε στρατιώτης οὔτε στρατηγὸς ἦν. αὐτὸς γὰρ ἐν μαχῇ οὐδέπω ἐπολέμησε. μόνον τοῦτο τι ἐποίησε. συνεβουλεύει τοῖς στρατιώταις ἐν πολέμῳ τινί.
daivid wrote:17)ἆρα ἐγεννήθε μέτα τὴν ἁλῶσιν τοῦ Βυζαντίου;

ναί. τὸ δὲ ἑξῆς νῦν εὖ οἶδας:

ἕν. ἡ τοῦ Βυζαντίου ἅλωσις ὑπὸ τῶν Μυσλύμων.
δύο. ἐγεννήθη.
τρία. ὁ τοῦ Ῥίκαρδ τοῦ τρίτου θάνατος.
τέσσαρα. ἀπέθανε.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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18 ) ἆρα ἡ πρώτη γλῶσσα αὐτοῦ ἦν γερμανική;
19) ἆρα ἔγραψε μῦθον;
19.1) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τὸν θαντον τὸν τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Νεβιλλου
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Neville_(bishop)
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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daivid wrote:18 ) ἆρα ἡ πρώτη γλῶσσα αὐτοῦ ἦν γερμανική;

ναί. πρῶτον Γερμανικῇ ἐλάλει οὗτος.
daivid wrote:19) ἆρα ἔγραψε μῦθον;

μῦθον καλὸν ἔγραψεν ὁ ἀνήρ, ἀλλὰ πότερον ἀληθὴς ὁ μῦθός ἐστιν ἢ οὔκ, ἔγωγε οὐκ οἶδα. μόνος γὰρ Θεὸς οἶδε.
daivid wrote:19.1) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη μέτα τὸν θαντον τὸν τοῦ Γεωργοῦ Νεβιλλουhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Neville_(bishop)

οὔ. πρὸ γὰρ τοῦ θανάτου Γεωργοῦ Νεβιλλου ἐγεννήθη ὁ ἀνὴρ οὗτος ὃν σύ οὐ δύνασαι ὀνομάζειν.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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19.2 ἆρα ἐχλεύαζον τοὺς ἐχθροὺς αὐτῷ;
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Tue Sep 13, 2016 4:43 pm

daivid wrote:
ἆρα ἐχλεύαζον τοὺς ἐχθροὺς αὐτῷ;

οὗτος μὲν οὐκ ἐχλεύαζε τοὺς ἐχθροὺς αὐτοῦ, οἱ δ' ἐχλεύαζον τοῦτον.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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19.3 ἆρα μετήγαγον βίβλον ἀπὸ τῆς ἑλληνικοῦ γλώσσης;
19.4 ἆρα ἐγεννήθη δεκὰ ἐτεὰ μέτα τὴν ἁλῶσιν τοῦ Βυζαντίου ἤ μᾶλλον;
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:42 pm

daivid wrote:ἑπτακαίδεκα (17.) ἆρα μετήγαγον βίβλον ἀπὸ τῆς ἑλληνικοῦ γλώσσης;

πῶς γὰρ οὔ; (λεγω ναί.) Ἑλληνιστὶ γὰρ ἔγνω οὗτος.
daivid wrote: ὀκτωκαίδεκα (18.) ἆρα ἐγεννήθη δεκὰ ἐτεὰ μέτα τὴν ἁλῶσιν τοῦ Βυζαντίου;

οὔκ.
daivid wrote:ἐννεακαίδεκα (19.)...ἤ μᾶλλον;

ναί.

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:51 pm

Markos wrote:μόνον ἓν ἄλλο ἐρώτημα ἔχεις σύ.

οὐκ οἴδα ἀλλὰ μόνον ἐρώτημα ἔχων εἰκάζω ὄτι εστι Νικόλαος Κοπερνικος.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:04 pm

daivid wrote:οὐκ οἴδα ἀλλὰ μόνον ἐρώτημα ἔχων εἰκάζω ὄτι εστι Νικόλαος Κοπερνικος.

ναί! ὡς μάλιστα. Κοπέρνικός ἐστιν ὁ ἀνὴρ. νενίκηκας οὖν.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:20 pm

Markos wrote:
daivid wrote:οὐκ οἴδα ἀλλὰ μόνον ἐρώτημα ἔχων εἰκάζω ὄτι εστι Νικόλαος Κοπερνικος.

ναί! ὡς μάλιστα. Κοπέρνικός ἐστιν ὁ ἀνὴρ. νενίκηκας οὖν.

χάριν σοι οἴδα διὰ το παίγνιον.

When I chose Thaddeus Stevens I didn't think he would be difficult when you chose Henry Clay and Webster I realized while no one feels the need to explain who they are they do feel the need to do that for Stevens.
Kopernikus is similar - famous but not the first person to come to mind. Indeed for quite some time I was expecting it to be Martin Luther. I didn't know he wrote fiction though - what did he write? Or did I misunderstand you.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Wed Sep 14, 2016 9:20 pm

daivid wrote:χάριν σοι οἴδα διὰ το παίγνιον.

καὶ σοῖγε ἐγὼ χάριν οἶδα, φίλε Δαυίδ.
daivid wrote:Indeed for quite some time I was expecting it to be Martin Luther.

Luther and Copernicus separated at birth? Their lives were quite similar in terms of demographics, education, language (German and Greek!) scorn received and vindication acquired. At least one of them changed the world for the better. :D
daivid wrote:I didn't know he wrote fiction though...

I think Whitehead would say that heliocentrism is a proposition more interesting than true.

It's funny, you and I have written enough Greek to each other over the years that even though Copernicus did hold some minor administrative posts, I knew that it would not confuse you to say that he was not an ἄρχων. μικρός ἄρχων, maybe. Is there such a word as ἀρχίον? There is now. :D

I am really impressed with your ability to comprehend and produce Greek. Keep it up.

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:17 am

Markos wrote:
daivid wrote:I didn't know he wrote fiction though...

I think Whitehead would say that heliocentrism is a proposition more interesting than true.

In the sense that all movement is relative, well yes. But to calculate the movement to the planets is a nightmare if you take the earth as the fixed point - as Ptolemy found.
Markos wrote:It's funny, you and I have written enough Greek to each other over the years that even though Copernicus did hold some minor administrative posts, I knew that it would not confuse you to say that he was not an ἄρχων. μικρός ἄρχων, maybe. Is there such a word as ἀρχίον? There is now. :D

I did worry some of my answers to you which were intended to be helpful were just confusing. Like saying Stevens was an extreme northerner - could mean he lived in Maine. Further in a sense he was a radical because he was more pro south - ie the south of the former slaves and southern unionists.

But if I did make it harder inadvertently the result was a system of dating by presidential year which I hope to use. Thanks.
Markos wrote:I am really impressed with your ability to comprehend and produce Greek. Keep it up.

Thanks.
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