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Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:38 pm

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:08 pm

1. ἄρσην ἐστί?
2. νεκρός ἐστι?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:25 pm

Markos wrote:1. ἄρσην ἐστί?

ἦν.
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2. νεκρός ἐστι?

ἐστίν
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:30 pm

3. ἆρα οὖτος ἐλάλησεν τὴν γλῶσσαν τὴν Ἐλληνικήν?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:3. ἆρα οὖτος ἐλάλησεν τὴν γλῶσσαν τὴν Ἐλληνικήν?

οὐκ ἐλάλησεν
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:44 pm

4. Χριστιανὸς ἦν οὖτος?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:4. Χριστιανὸς ἦν οὖτος?

ἦν
Markos wrote:3. ἆρα οὖτος ἐλάλησεν τὴν γλῶσσαν τὴν Ἐλληνικήν?

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:05 pm

daivid wrote:
Markos wrote:4. Χριστιανὸς ἦν οὖτος?

ἦν

διὰ τοῦτο ζῇ ὢν νεκρός. :)

5α. βιβλία ἔγραψεν?
5β. ἆρα ἄρχων τις ἦν?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:45 pm

Markos wrote:

5α. βιβλία ἔγραψεν?
5β. ἆρα ἄρχων τις ἦν?


5α. ἐπὶ τοσοῦτον, ἐφ ὅσον οἶδα, οὐκ ἔγραψε βίβλον. (strabo 1.1.14)

5β οὐκ ἦν ἄρχων
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:22 pm

6. μετὰ τὸ τοῦ Πρώτου Μεγάλου Πολέμου τέλος (λέγω μετὰ τὸ 1919) ἀπέθανεν οὖτος?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:33 pm

Markos wrote: 6. μετὰ τὸ τοῦ Πρώτου Μεγάλου Πολέμου τέλος (λέγω μετὰ τὸ 1919) ἀπέθανεν οὖτος?

πρὸ ἐκείνου πολεμοῦ.
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Postby Markos » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:31 pm

7. μετὰ τῆς τοῦ Ἅστιγγς Μάχης ἀπέθανεν?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:55 am

Markos wrote:7. μετὰ τῆς τοῦ Ἅστιγγς Μάχης ἀπέθανεν?

ἐπεὶ Ἁρολδ βασιλεὺς ἀπώλεσε? Μέτα.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:15 pm

ὦ χαῖρε, φίλε Δαυιδ.
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Markos wrote:7. μετὰ τῆς τοῦ Ἅστιγγς Μάχης ἀπέθανεν?

ἐπεὶ Ἁρολδ βασιλεὺς ἀπώλεσε? Μέτα.

πάνυ γε. ὁ γὰρ Ἅρολδ ὑπὸ τῶν Γαλικῶν ἀπέθανεν.

ἥμαρτον δέ. ἤθελε γὰρ τὸ «μετὰ τὴν τοῦ Ἅστιγγς Μάχην ἀπέθανεν?»

καλῶς. ὁ ἀνὴρ μετὰ τὸ 1066 καὶ προ τοῦ 1919 ἀπέθανεν.

8. ἐν Εὐρόπῃ οἰκήσεν ὁ ἀνήρ οὗτος?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:23 pm

Markos wrote:
8. ἐν Εὐρόπῃ οἰκήσεν ὁ ἀνήρ οὗτος?[/size]

ουκ. ἐκτός Εὐρώπης.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:26 pm

9. ἐν Ἀφρίκᾳ?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:9. ἐν Ἀφρίκᾳ?

οὐκ. ἐκτὸς καὶ Ἀφρικας.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:13 pm

10α. Βρεττανικῇ ἑλάλησε?
10β. ἡ πρώτη γλῶσσα αὐτοῦ Βρεττανική?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:10α. Βρεττανικῇ ἑλάλησε?

ἦν
Markos wrote:10β. ἡ πρώτη γλῶσσα αὐτοῦ Βρεττανική?

ἤν δή
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:21 pm

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5β. ἆρα ἄρχων τις ἦν?


5β οὐκ ἦν ἄρχων

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:33 pm

11. ἆρα οὗτος ζῶν ἦν, τοῦ βίου τοῦ Ὀλίβηρ Οὐένδελλ Ὅλμες ὄντος?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:11. ἆρα οὗτος ζῶν ἦν, τοῦ βίου τοῦ Ὀλίβηρ Οὐένδελλ Ὅλμες ὄντος?

ἦν
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Postby Markos » Wed Aug 31, 2016 3:49 pm

12. ἐπὶ τῷ Πολέμῳ τῷ Ἀμερικανῷ Ἐμφυλίῳ, ἆρα οὗτος στρατιώτης ἦν?
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Χαν εστι ἄρχων Λονδονος

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Μακκαιν εστι νομοθέτης

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:12. ἐπὶ τῷ Πολέμῳ τῷ Ἀμερικανῷ Ἐμφυλίῳ, ἆρα οὗτος στρατιώτης ἦν?

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Postby Markos » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:39 pm

13. ἆρα νομοθέτης ἦν ὁ ἀνὴρ τὸ ὄνομα οὗ οὐκ οἶδα?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:13. ἆρα νομοθέτης ἦν ὁ ἀνὴρ τὸ ὄνομα οὗ οὐκ οἶδα?

ναὶ νομοθέτης
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Postby Markos » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:20 pm

14. μετὰ τὸ τοῦ Ἀμερικανοῦ Ἐμφυλίου Πολέμου τέλος ἐγεννήθη οὗτος ὁ χριστιανὸς νομόθετης?
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Markos wrote:14. μετὰ τὸ τοῦ Ἀμερικανοῦ Ἐμφυλίου Πολέμου τέλος ἐγεννήθη οὗτος ὁ χριστιανὸς νομόθετης?

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Postby Markos » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:29 pm

14α. ἐγεννήθη οὖν μετὰ τὸ ἔτος τοῦ 1841 ἀλλὰ πρὸ τοῦ ἔτους τοῦ 1865?
15. ἐν Αμερίκᾳ ἐγεννήθη?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:45 am

daivid wrote:
Markos wrote:11. ἆρα οὗτος ζῶν ἦν, τοῦ βίου τοῦ Ὀλίβηρ Οὐένδελλ Ὅλμες ὄντος?

ἦν


οὕτος ἐγεννήθη πρὸ θανατοῦ τοῦ Ὀλίβηρ Οὐένδελλ Ὅλμες.
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Ὀλίβηρ Οὐένδελλ Ὅλμες ἐγεννήθη πρὸ θανατοῦ αὑτοῦ.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:54 am

Markos wrote:14α. ἐγεννήθη οὖν μετὰ τὸ ἔτος τοῦ 1841 ἀλλὰ πρὸ τοῦ ἔτους τοῦ 1865?

ἀρὰ εἰπόν ὅτι ἐγεννήθη μέτα τὸ ἐτὸς τοῦ 1841; δυνατόν εστι καὶ πρὸ τὸ ἐτὸς τοῦ 1841.


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15. ἐν Αμερίκᾳ ἐγεννήθη?

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby John W. » Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:52 am

Gentlemen:

With sincere apologies for intruding on your thread, may I raise one question, and offer one suggestion?

(i) In English we can certainly say 'the year of 1865' (or whatever), but is that really a Greek idiom too?

(ii) Since this conversation is meant to be in some (albeit adapted) form of ancient Greek, should dates not use the system of numerical notation set out in Smyth, paragraphs 347-348A? Thus 1865 would be ͵αωξεʹ, with the lower Greek numerical symbol before the α (= 1000), and the higher Greek numerical symbol at the very end.

Would, therefore, τὸ ἐτὸς ͵αωξεʹ thus be better in this instance?

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Timothée » Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:26 pm

I think that Greeks gladly used ordinal numbers for years. Datiuus temporis (for "when?") seems common enough usage, though many different prepositions are frequently used, as well.

Counting the Olympiads (e.g. "in the third year of the hundred and twenty-sixth Olympiad") would be very handy (starting as we know from the year 776 BCE) and cover almost the last 2800 years, but the problem is that apparently the Olympiad reckoning is only used from the 3rd century BCE onwards. Thus it won't neatly do for Classical Attic. Classical Attics counted according to the ἄρχων ἐπώνυμος regnant (in Athens).

This doesn't obviously work for modern times. However, we could use as referring points English monarchs, i.e. all the recent years for Elizabeth II. Thus we could reach the 9th century CE, starting from Egbert or Alfred. Roman emperors could be used until Romulus Augustulus' reign ended in 476. The time in-between would then naturally be according to Byzantine rulers. But come to think of it now, maybe it would be best if the Byzantine imperium were the reference point until 1453, and only thereafter resort to English monarchs. The first one on that lineage would then be the last of the Lancasters, Henry VI.

It could be interesting to check how some suitable ancient writer refers to years.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby daivid » Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:26 pm

John W. wrote:Gentlemen:

With sincere apologies for intruding on your thread, may I raise one question, and offer one suggestion?

(i) In English we can certainly say 'the year of 1865' (or whatever), but is that really a Greek idiom too?

(ii) Since this conversation is meant to be in some (albeit adapted) form of ancient Greek, should dates not use the system of numerical notation set out in Smyth, paragraphs 347-348A? Thus 1865 would be ͵αωξεʹ, with the lower Greek numerical symbol before the α (= 1000), and the higher Greek numerical symbol at the very end.

Would, therefore, τὸ ἐτὸς ͵αωξεʹ thus be better in this instance?

Best wishes,

John

In the main we have proceeded without the need for numbering years (even though I had to check on Wikipedia for when Oliver Wendall Holmes was born and died. The single of time Markos used numbers was to check there hadn't arisen a misunderstanding between us. Clearly Arabic numbers are not Attic but they allowed a quick unambiguous check without resorting to English.

But any challenge on usage is always welcome - thanks.
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:39 pm

16. ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος πρὸ τοῦ πρώτου ἔτους, τοῦ Ἰωάννου Τύλερος ὄντος τοῦ τῆς Ἀμερίκης Ἄρχοντος? (λέγω πρὸ τοῦ 1841?)
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:16. ἆρα ἐγεννήθη οὗτος πρὸ τοῦ πρώτου ἔτους, τοῦ Ἰωάννου Τύλερος ὄντος τοῦ τῆς Ἀμερίκης Ἄρχοντος? (λέγω πρὸ τοῦ 1841?)

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

Postby Markos » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:05 am

17. Ἕνρι Κλαῖ ἐστι?
18. ἆρα ὁ ἀνὴρ Ἰωάννης Κάλουν ἐστί?
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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:17. Ἕνρι Κλαῖ ἐστι?

οὐκ ἀλλὰ αὐτὸς ποτε ἦν στασιώτης σῦν τῷ Κλαῖ.
Markos wrote:18. ἆρα ὁ ἀνὴρ Ἰωάννης Κάλουν ἐστί?

οὐ καὶ οὔποτε αὐτὸς ἦν στασιώτης σῦν τῷ Κάλουν.
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Postby Markos » Sun Sep 04, 2016 4:45 pm

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Re: Markos -yes lets do 20 questions

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Markos wrote:τὸν Δανιὴλ Οὐέβστηρ ἔχεις σὺ ἐν νῷ?

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