Akemdwr wrote:...γνωστός εἰμι Μάρκου...
δίψιον καὶ ἀτερπὲς φυτόν
ἀτερπής ἐστιν ἡ γυνή.
bedwere wrote: Ψυχρότερος γάρ ἐστιν ἢ εἴωθε.
Markos wrote:σήμερον θερμασία μέν ἔστιν ἡμῖν, καῦμα δ' οὔ. κατὰ δὲ τοῦ Φαρενείτου κλίμακα ἐννήκοντά ἐστιν.
daivid wrote:οἱ σοφοὶ εἰπὲ ὅτι βρέξει πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν.
Markos wrote:daivid wrote:οἱ σοφοὶ εἰπὲ ὅτι βρέξει πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν.
χαῖρε, φίλε. ἆρα ἠθέλησας λέγειν "οἱ σοφοὶ εἶπον ὅτι βρέξοι πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν?" τὸ γὰρ "βρέξοι" ἡ εὐτικὴ καὶ ὁ μέλλων ἐστιν.
daivid wrote:I meant to say "The wise ones said that it would (ie will) rain all day"
I didn't intend the optative but I got the number of "said" wrong and I should have written:daivid wrote:οἱ σοφοὶ εἶπον ὅτι βρέξει πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν.
As I understand it this future in the past is a simple future rather than something like "would"
which would be used in English. Or to put it another way, in a ὅτι clause the indirect part that follows ὅτι takes the tense that would actually have been spoken.
In truth all weather forecasts are about probable outcomes rather than certainties and so a more tentative construction equivalent to "may rain" might be better.
If this be treason, let's make the most of it.
If this is treason, let's make the most of it.
Thanks for taking the time to comment on my Greek.
I'm no expert on the optative in particular or on Greek syntax in general, but I think you are correct here, that the optative is more or less optional in direct speech after ὅτι or ὡς in secondary sequences. A question we could ask--although I'm not really into asking these kinds of questions--is whether retention of the original tense in the direct speech, instead of using the optative, is an instance of grammatical laxity, (or better stated, simplification of a language where in fact use of the optative was beginning to drop out) or whether retaining the future instead of the optative really indicates more certainty. In this case, of course, YOU wrote the sentence, so YOU are the expert and I accept 100% that the language CAN be used this way, i.e. avoidance of the optative to avoid a greater sense of uncertainty.
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