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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby bedwere » Sat Aug 03, 2013 6:51 pm

Χαῖρε, ὦ Μᾶρκε, χαίρετε, ὦ πάντες. Νῦν δὲ πάλιν οἴκοι εἰμί, οὗ ὁ ἥλιος λάμπει μετὰ ὀλιγῶν νεφελῶν. Ἀποκριθεὶς δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι ἐν τῇ Ἀγγελώπολει οἱ ἄνθρωποι οἱ ἐκεῖ ἐσθίουσι τὰ ὀρνίθεια μετὰ ἡδύσματός τινος καλουμένου μολε. Ἔγωγε οὐδὲ ἔφαγον οὐδὲ ἐσθίω τὸ κρέας ἀλλὰ ἐγευσάμην τοῦ τυροῦ, ὅ λίαν ἐφίλησα. Ἐπιον δὲ τὸ τοῦ Κιτρούλλου τοῦ ἐριώδους ὕδωρ. Ἧν γὰρ πολλὰ ὕδατα ἐκ πολλῶν καρπῶν πεποιημένα.

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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:19 pm

ἐχθὲς νυκτὸς πάλιν μέντοι ἔβρεχε. ἡ δὲ βροχὴ ἰσχυρὰ ἦν καὶ πολλή. ἐδεύθησαν οὖν αἱ ὁδοί. νῦν δὲ λάμπει ὁ ἥλιος. ἀλλ' οὐδέπω τεθέρμασμαι.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:24 pm

πρωία, καιπερ τοῦ ἤλιου λαμοντος, ἐνδύν τόν ιματιον. νῦν τεθέρμασμαι (ου λιαν) αλλα αἱ νεφεαλαι καλύπτουσι τὸν ἤλιον. ὁ ανεμος ἐστὶ πρᾶος, μονος τῶν μικροτατων κλαδων κινουντος ὑπο τοῦ ανεμου - δὺο κατὰ τὴν τοῦ βεαθφοτου κλίμακα.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Mon Aug 05, 2013 4:55 pm

ἐν ταύτῃ τῇ ὥρᾳ, οὐ βρέχεται ἡ γῆ. ὁ γὰρ Θεὸς οὐ βρέχει αὐτήν. οὐδὲ ἐχθὲς ἐβρέχθη. (ὁ γὰρ Θεὸς οὐκ ἔβρεξεν αὐτήν.) καὶ νομίζω ὅτι ἐπαύριον ἡ γῆ οὐ βρεχθήσεται. ὁ γὰρ Θεὸς οὐ βρέξει αὐτήν. ὄψομαι οὖν τὴν γῆν οὐ βεβρεγμένην.

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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:24 pm

τήμερον ἔβρεξε ἡ γῆ. ειδον δια τῆς φθριδος ὅπως τα φυλα εκινυσι αλλα ου οιδα η ὑπο τῆς ανεμου η ὑπο τῆς βροχης.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:10 pm

ὅταν ἀνέστη ἐκ τῆς κλίνης, τοῦ ἀέρος ψυχροῦ, ἤμην ἀπεψυγμένος. νῦν δὲ θερμαίνει τὸν οἶκον ὁ ἥλιος. εἰμι οὖν τεθέρμασμαι. εἰ δὲ βρέξει, οὐκ οἶδα.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Akemdwr » Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:31 pm

Χαίρετε ὦ φίλοι, ϗ σὺ πάνυ χαῖρε ὦ βέλτιστε Μᾶρκε
Ἐγώ εἰμι Παῦλος τὸ ὄνομα, γνωστός εἰμι Μάρκου, ὑπὸ ῥᾳθυμίας μὲν παυόμενος πάλαι οὐκ ἔγραφον ἐν ταύτῃ τῇ Ἀγορᾷ, νῦν δὲ πάλιν γράφω ϗ πᾶσιν ὑμῖν χαίρειν εὔχομαι
Ἔγωγε ἐχθὲς ἐπανῆκον ἐκ τῆς Κερκινίτιδος πόλεως ἥ ἐστι ἐν τῇ Ταυρικῇ χερσονήσῳ (τοῦτʼ ἐστι Crimea), ϗ ὀνομάζεται νῦν Εὐπατορία. νῦν πάλιν εἰμὶ ἐν τῇ πατρῴῳ μου πόλει τῇ Κιέβῳ τῆς Μικρᾶς Ῥωσσίας (ἥν νῦν ὀνομάζονται Οὐκρανίαν).
Θερμὸς μὲν ἦν ἀὴρ ϗ ἐν Κερκινίτιδι ϗ ἐν Κιέβῳ ἐστί, ἀλλὰ ἐκεῖ μὲν ἦν ἔτι θάλασσα, ἐνταῦθα δὲ ἄσφαλτος.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:12 pm

πρωία μεμ ελαμπε ὁ ἥλιος, μεσημβρία δε ἁι νεφεαλαι τὸν ἥλιον εκαλθπτε. νῦν ὁἤλκιος δυδυκε.
τεθέρμασμαι αλλα ου εκδυν το ιματιον. επει ἓθηκα τὸν σκαιον ἀγκῶνα ψυτρόν ην. :(
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:21 am

Akemdwr wrote:...γνωστός εἰμι Μάρκου...


ναί, ὡς μάλιστα! οἶδα σε τίς εἶ. οἶδα δὲ σε ὄντα καλὸν γραφέα τῆς Ἑλληνικῆς γλώσσης! χαίρω οὖν ὅτι πάλιν ἡμῖν σὺ γράφεις.

βούλομαι δὴ σε ἐρρῶσθαι, φίλε!
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:56 pm

σήμερον ὁ καύσων (φημι δή τὸ καῦμα) ἀποίχεται (φημι δή τὸ ἀπῆλθε.) τὸ γὰρ τῆς θερμασίας βάθος ἔσται μόνον ἑβδομήκοντα καὶ πέντε κατὰ τὴν τοῦ Φαρενείτου κλίμακα. αἱ δὲ νεφέλαι φαίντονται ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ. λευκὸς οὖν ὁ οὐρανός. νομίζω μὲν τὸν Θεὸν ὕσειν (φημι δή τὸ βρέξειν) τὴν γῆν, οἶδα δ' οὔ.

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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Akemdwr » Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:15 pm

Καὶ σοὶ πάνυ χαίρω ξυνὼν ὦ λῷστε Μᾶρκε
ὅμως δὴ ἐγὼ μόλις γιγνώσκω τίς ϗ ὥρα νῦν ἐστι, οἴκοι καθήμενος ὅλην ϗ ἑκάστην ἡμέραν διʼ ὅτι ἄδειά (holiday) μοί ἐστι ἕως τῆς ἐπιούσης Δευτέρας :D
οἴκοι δὲ ὢν εὐφραίνομαι τὴν καρδίαν οἴνῳ κρέᾳ ϗ ἀναγνώσει Λουκιανοῦ τοῦ Σαμοσατέως.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:52 pm

τήμερον ὁ ἤλιος ελαμπε αλλα ου ἐπανηλελυτηε, αὐτοῦ εικοσι και δυο τὸ τῆς θερμασιας βάθος ὄντος
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Akemdwr » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:51 am

Ἐν Κιέβῳ καύσων οὐκ ἀνασχετός ἐστι σήμερον, ὀκτὼ ϗ εἴκοσι βαθμοὶ κατὰ Κέλσιος (ἡμεῖς ἐν ταῖς Σκλαβικαῖς χώραις οὐδέποθι χρήμεθα τοῖς τοῦ Φαρενεῖτ βαθμοῖς), ϗ ἥλιος ὑπέρλαμπρός ἐστι.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:36 pm

συνείθισμαι ὄγδοης ἡμέρης ἰέναι εις τὸν μέσον τοῦ Λονδονοῦ. πρότερον ην λιαν θερμον και ου ευ εἶχον.
τήμερον ψυχρότερον ον αμενον ἕσται.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:38 pm

πρῳὶ μὲν οὖν, τοῦ ἀέρος ὄντος ψυχροῦ, ἀπεψυγμένος ἦν. περιβολίδιον οὖν περὶ τοῦ σώματος ἔδει με περιβάλλειν. νῦν δέ, τοῦ ἡλίου φλέγοντος, θερμαίνονται ἡ γῆ τε κἀγώ.


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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:14 am

τήμερον ἦκα θερμον ην. ὁ ἤλιος ελαμπε αλλα ου πολακις. ὁ ανεμος πνει αλλα κούφως.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:27 pm

κύανος νῦν ἐστιν ὁ οὐρανός. τὰς οὖν νεφέλας οὐ δύναμαι βλέπειν. ὕστερον δέ, κατὰ τοὺς νομιζομένους σοφοὺς, ἐλεύσονται αἱ νεφέλαι φέρουσαι τὴν βροχήν.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:14 pm

οἱ σοφοι εἶπον ὅτι ὁ ἥλιος βρεξει. μεντοι, τῶν νεφελῶν κακυπτουσων τὸν ουρανον, εμελλον γραπσειν ὅτι οἱ σοφοι ψεδουσι. αλλα ἄρτι νῦν ὁ ἥλιος λαμπε.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:08 pm

σήμερον εὐδίαν ἔχομεν. λάμπει γὰρ ὁ ἥλιος, ἀλλ' οὐ φλέγει. οὐκ ἔστιν καῦμα οὐδὲ βροχή. διὰ τοῦτο, οὐκ εἰμι ἀποτεθερμασμένος οὐδὲ ἀπεψυγμένος.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:52 pm

τήμερον ελαμπε ὁ ἥλιος καὶ αἱ νεφέλαι ἦσαν λευκαί. ἑώρων διὰ θυρίδος ὁ οὐρανὸς ἦν κύανος. ποτε μελανη νεφελη παρῆλθον ἀλλὰ ου ἔβρεξε - οἱ γειτονες ξενίζοντες εν αὐλὴ ἄσμενοι ἦσαν.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:45 pm

λάμπει μὲν ὁ ἥλιος, φλέγει δ' οὔ. τὸ δὲ καῦμα οἴχεται. φοβοῦμαι δὲ μὴ βρέξῃ. βαδίζειν γὰρ ἐν τοῖς ὄρεσι θέλομεν δή.

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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:27 am

τήμερον ἦκα ψυχρότερος η ἐχθές. πρωί μεμ ὁ ἥλιος ελαμπε,
μεσημβρίαν δε αἱ νεφέλαι ἐκάλυπτε τε τὸν ἥλιός καὶ τὸν οὐρανόν.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:58 am

νῦν τοι, ἐν τῇ γῇ μου, θαυμάσιον γίγνεται. βροντὴ γὰρ ἔστιν καὶ ἀστραπή, ἀλλὰ βροχή οὔ!
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby ἑκηβόλος » Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:46 pm

Σήμερον ὁ καιρὸς θερμὸς πανὺ ἦν, καὶ τῇ ἐννάτῃ ὡρᾳ ἀναβαίνουσα ἐφάνη ἡ ἀτμίς, τῇ ἐνδεκάτῃ δὲ οὐ ἔβρεξε. Διὸ ἡ πικρὸς ὀσμὴ φθειρομένων λαχάνων τε καὶ τὰ τοῦ οὔρου μιάσματα ἔτι ἐπὶ τὴν ῥύμην τὴν ὁμοροῦσαν τῇ οἰκίᾳ μου.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby bedwere » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:47 pm

Χαίρετε. Οἱ δὲ αὐτοῦ σοφοὶ λέγουσιν ὅτι ἡ θερμασία αὐξήσεται ἐν τῷ τῆς ἑβδομάδος τέλει. Ψυχρότερος γάρ ἐστιν ἢ εἴωθε. Ἔρρωσθε.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:44 pm

πρῶι μὲν ὁ ἥλιος ἔλαμπε, μεσημβρίαν δὲ τῶν νεφέλων καλυπτοντων τὸν οὐρανὸν, ἔβρεξε αλλα βραχέως. νομίζω τὰ φυτὰ πλεῖον ἐλπίζει.

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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:08 am

σήμερον ἔβρεχε βρεχέως. βραχεῖα οὖν ἡ βροχή. νῦν δὲ λάμπει ὁ ἥλιος. ἐπαύριον δὲ οὐ φημι βρέξειν.

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δίψιον καὶ ἀτερπὲς φυτόν


εὐχαριστῶ σοι, φίλε Δαιυιδ! καινὸν γὰρ λόγον με ἐδίδαξας. (λέγω τὸ ἀτερπής, ές.) οὐ γὰρ ἔγνων τοῦτον τὸν λόγον, ἀλλὰ νῦν οἶδα!

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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:29 pm

τήμερον αἱ μελαναί νεφέλαι ἐκάλυπτον μαλα η ἐχθὲς αλλα μόνως ἦκα εβρεξε -μικοτερον η ἦκα. ἀνατελλομένα εκ τειχίου, τὰ φυτὰ δύουσι βαρυν ὑετὸν.

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ἀτερπής ἐστιν ἡ γυνή.


ἐκεῖνον εἰκὸν ἀμείνων δηλεῖ «ἀτερπής»
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:21 am

πρῳι μὲν ψυχρὸς ἦν ὁ ἀέρ. ἤμην οὖν ἀπεψυγμένος. τῆς δὲ μεσαμβρίας ἔλαμπε ὁ ἥλιος καὶ τὴν γῆν ἐθέρμασε. κἀγὼ τεθερμασμένος ἤμην. νῦν δὲ πάλιν ψυχρός ἐστιν.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:51 pm

εὐδία νῦν ἐστιν. αἴθριος γὰρ ὁ οὐρανός. πότερον δὲ βρέξει ἢ οὐ, ἄδηλός ἐστιν.

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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:53 am

πάλιν ἔστι μεταβολικόν. μεσημβρίαν μελαναί νεφέλαι ἐκάλυπτε τὸν οὐρανὸν καὶ εβρεζε αλλα (αρα ὑπώπτευσας;) βραχέως. ἑσπὲρα ὁ οὐρανὸς αἴθριος ἤν.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:50 pm

σήμερον θερμασία μέν ἔστιν ἡμῖν, καῦμα δ' οὔ. κατὰ δὲ τοῦ Φαρενείτου κλίμακα ἐννήκοντά ἐστιν. ἵδροῦν οὖν μέλλω.

bedwere wrote: Ψυχρότερος γάρ ἐστιν ἢ εἴωθε.


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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:10 pm


οἱ σοφοι εἰπέ «ἔαν βρέχῃ τήμερον, βρεξει βαρέως». μέντοι μηδαμῶς ἔβρεξε.


Markos wrote:σήμερον θερμασία μέν ἔστιν ἡμῖν, καῦμα δ' οὔ. κατὰ δὲ τοῦ Φαρενείτου κλίμακα ἐννήκοντά ἐστιν.


οὕτως τριήκοντα καὶ δύο κατὰ τοῦ τσελσιου κλίμακα. τουτεῖ εστι εἴκοσι καὶ εἷς (ἑβφομηκοντα). εν Ἰλλυρίᾳ (φιλος μοι ειπε) τεσσαράκοντα εστι.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:38 pm

κατὰ μὲν οὖν σοφοί, σήμερον ἔσται θερμός. τὸ δὲ τῆς θερμασίας βάθος τριάκοντα καὶ τρία ἔσται κατὰ τὴν τοῦ Κελσίου κλίμακα. ἵδρώσω οὖν. ἐμὲ δὲ δήσει πινεῖσθαι τὴν ψυχρὰν σίκηρα. νῦν δέ, μὴ ὄντος θερμοῦ, καφὴν πίνω δή.

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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:50 am

οἱ σοφοὶ εἰπὲ ὅτι βρέξει πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν. ἔμελλε βρεξειν παᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν μελανῶν νεφελῶν καλυπτομένων τον οὐρανὸν ἀλλὰ μόνον βραχέως ἔβρεξε.
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:37 am

daivid wrote:οἱ σοφοὶ εἰπὲ ὅτι βρέξει πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν.


χαῖρε, φίλε. ἆρα ἠθέλησας λέγειν "οἱ σοφοὶ εἶπον ὅτι βρέξοι πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν?" τὸ γὰρ "βρέξοι" ἡ εὐτικὴ καὶ ὁ μέλλων ἐστιν.

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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:45 pm

Markos wrote:
daivid wrote:οἱ σοφοὶ εἰπὲ ὅτι βρέξει πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν.


χαῖρε, φίλε. ἆρα ἠθέλησας λέγειν "οἱ σοφοὶ εἶπον ὅτι βρέξοι πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν?" τὸ γὰρ "βρέξοι" ἡ εὐτικὴ καὶ ὁ μέλλων ἐστιν.

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ἡ εὐτική.


I meant to say "The wise ones said that it would (ie will) rain all day"
I didn't intend the optative but I got the number of "said" wrong and I should have written:
[quote="daivid"]οἱ σοφοὶ εἶπον ὅτι βρέξει πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν.
As I understand it this future in the past is a simple future rather than something like "would"
which would be used in English. Or to put it another way, in a ὅτι clause the indirect part that follows ὅτι takes the tense that would actually have been spoken.

In truth all weather forecasts are about probable outcomes rather than certainties and so a more tentative construction equivalent to "may rain" might be better.

Thanks for taking the time to comment on my Greek
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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:30 pm

σήμερον μέντοι ὁ ἐν τῇ γῇ μου χρόνος ὁμοιος ἐστιν τῷ ἐχθές. πάλιν γὰρ θερμασίαν ἔχομεν ἀλλ' οὐ καῦμα. αἰ δὲ νεφέλαι μὲν φαίνονται, βροχὴ δ' οὔ. ἦκα δὲ πνέουσιν οἱ ἄνεμοι. καἰ γὰρ οὖν εὐδία ἐστι.

daivid wrote:I meant to say "The wise ones said that it would (ie will) rain all day"
I didn't intend the optative but I got the number of "said" wrong and I should have written:
daivid wrote:οἱ σοφοὶ εἶπον ὅτι βρέξει πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν.
As I understand it this future in the past is a simple future rather than something like "would"
which would be used in English. Or to put it another way, in a ὅτι clause the indirect part that follows ὅτι takes the tense that would actually have been spoken.

In truth all weather forecasts are about probable outcomes rather than certainties and so a more tentative construction equivalent to "may rain" might be better.


ὦ χαῖρε ἄριστε!

I'm no expert on the optative in particular or on Greek syntax in general, but I think you are correct here, that the optative is more or less optional in direct speech after ὅτι or ὡς in secondary sequences. A question we could ask--although I'm not really into asking these kinds of questions--is whether retention of the original tense in the direct speech, instead of using the optative, is an instance of grammatical laxity, (or better stated, simplification of a language where in fact use of the optative was beginning to drop out) or whether retaining the future instead of the optative really indicates more certainty. In this case, of course, YOU wrote the sentence, so YOU are the expert and I accept 100% that the language CAN be used this way, i.e. avoidance of the optative to avoid a greater sense of uncertainty. I can imagine an American (or an Egyptian) today saying either.

If this be treason, let's make the most of it.


or

If this is treason, let's make the most of it.


At this stage of English, the subjunctive is dropping out, so the difference could be purely stylistic or it could reflect a greater or lesser degree of uncertainty. I imagine Ancient Greek worked the same way. One of the good things about writing Greek on line is that we can actually question the writer to see what they had in mind when using a given construction.

Thanks for taking the time to comment on my Greek.


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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby daivid » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:56 am

τήμερον πολλάκις ὁ ἤλιος ἔφηνε καὶ πολάκις νεφέλη ἐκάλυψέ τὸν ἤλιον. τοῦ αερος τὸ τῆς θερμασίας βάθος εἰκόσι καὶ τρεῖς ὄντος, ῥαδίως τεθέρμαγκα ἀλλὰ νῦν ἔστι ψυχρότερος

Markos wrote:
I'm no expert on the optative in particular or on Greek syntax in general, but I think you are correct here, that the optative is more or less optional in direct speech after ὅτι or ὡς in secondary sequences. A question we could ask--although I'm not really into asking these kinds of questions--is whether retention of the original tense in the direct speech, instead of using the optative, is an instance of grammatical laxity, (or better stated, simplification of a language where in fact use of the optative was beginning to drop out) or whether retaining the future instead of the optative really indicates more certainty. In this case, of course, YOU wrote the sentence, so YOU are the expert and I accept 100% that the language CAN be used this way, i.e. avoidance of the optative to avoid a greater sense of uncertainty.


I had forgotten there was a choice and on reflection I think

οἱ σοφοὶ εἰπὲ ὅτι βρέξοιεν πᾶσαν τὴν ἡμέραν.


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Re: What's the weather like where you live today (Greek)

Postby Markos » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:37 pm

ἐχθὲς μέντοι ἐμοὶ θαυμασιον ἐγένετο. πρὸ τοῦ περπατεῖν με πρὸς τὴν ἐργασίαν, διὰ τῆς θυριδος ἔβλεψα ἔξω. κύανος δὲ ἦν ὁ οὐρανός. ὁ δὲ ἥλιος ἔλαμπε. ὀλίγαι δὲ ἐφαίνοντο νεφέλαι. ἐνόμισα οὖν ὅτι μὴ βρέξαι. διὰ τοῦτου, ἔλιπον οἴκοι τὸ ὐμβρέλλα μου. ἐπὶ δέ μου περιπατοῦντος ἔπιπτεν ἡ βροχή! μόνον δ' ὀλίγον ὕδωρ ἦν. καὶ ἐδόκει μοι ὅτι οὐ μὲν ἐβρεχόμην, ἀλλ' ἱδροῦν!

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