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Re: A Hawaiian Long Diphthong Pronunciation Model

It's a clear contrast in length, though I had to listen to the "long" version three times to convince myself that there was no significant difference in quality. The short one sounded like a completely normal /ai/ diphthong, while the long one was surprisingly dark (towards /ʌːi/). No reas...
by ariphron
Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:27 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: A Hawaiian Long Diphthong Pronunciation Model
Replies: 4
Views: 1464

The Blog of Ariphron is Live

It's at http://blogofariphron.com Expect a second post this Thursday or Friday, and weekly posts thereafter. Follow it in your blog reader if you're interested. This also marks the end of a period of about a year and a half when Chinese and German were the only foreign languages that I worked on. I ...
by ariphron
Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:17 pm
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: The Blog of Ariphron is Live
Replies: 0
Views: 926

Re: What exactly is non-biblical Koine?

Koine refers to a language based originally on Attic Greek that developed written and spoken forms which eventually became dominant throughout the Levant for communicating between speakers of different languages/dialects. It is often considered that Xenophon marks the beginning of written Koine, for...
by ariphron
Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:15 pm
 
Forum: Koine and Biblical and Medieval Greek
Topic: What exactly is non-biblical Koine?
Replies: 5
Views: 2314

Re: Νικόλαος Νικολαόυ, Τεξτκὶτ θαμῶσι εὐ πράττειν

Welcome to Textkit. I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and the work you've done on (and against) Quora.
by ariphron
Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:30 am
 
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Νικόλαος Νικολαόυ, Τεξτκὶτ θαμῶσι εὐ πράττειν
Replies: 10
Views: 2477

Re: Vox Graeca Audios / Examples?

His ongoing project of the Spartan Constitution (attributed to Xenophon) has no background music. The first chapter is out on YouTube; I’m eagerly anticipating the rest. For extensive recordings that stick to Allen’s recommendations, you almost have to go with Stratakis, or else Daitz at http://www....
by ariphron
Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:53 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Vox Graeca Audios / Examples?
Replies: 6
Views: 2329

Re: First 100 lines of the Iliad

Joel, I appreciate the work you’ve put into this, and some might find your marked-up version helpful. But I have to tell you that any classicist worthy of the name would be able to read these lines without difficulty, and would find your mark-up more distracting than useful. What your annotation fa...
by ariphron
Thu Feb 25, 2016 7:42 am
 
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: First 100 lines of the Iliad
Replies: 15
Views: 5680

Re: xenophon Anabasis 1.5.2 εἰ δέ τι καὶ ἄλλο + μὲν δὲ

One more point: ἅπαντα ἦσαν, a plural verb with a neuter plural noun--which flies in the face of everything we (think we) know about Greek. Obviously, Xenophon failed to read his Mastronarde and his Smyth. I think (though I could be wrong) what's going on here is that there are two different catego...
by ariphron
Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:56 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: xenophon Anabasis 1.5.2 εἰ δέ τι καὶ ἄλλο + μὲν δὲ
Replies: 12
Views: 2748

Re: How to learn Accents without pulling a Μηνις?

Introducing a sentence with "The book looks like" indicates to me that you have not read it and are therefore perhaps not best placed to judge. A more informed review can be found here http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2004/2004-04-10.html . I'm sorry, I thought you were referring to a different b...
by ariphron
Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:20 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How to learn Accents without pulling a Μηνις?
Replies: 11
Views: 2685

Re: How to learn Accents without pulling a Μηνις?

Skimming through the video, I would say that it pretty much covers what beginners need to know about the rules of Greek accents (as written) and no more. Most textbooks will say about the same thing with more or less clarity. As to what you heard in the stress accents, it is rather unusual for one p...
by ariphron
Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:49 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: How to learn Accents without pulling a Μηνις?
Replies: 11
Views: 2685

Re: Re-Organizing the Forums

Three main categories of posts in Learning Greek: 1. General discussions of the language and study techniques 2. Discussion of interpretation and textual issues for specific texts 3. Textbooks and Study Groups. If we reorganize, then barring a massive job of sorting through the archives, old posts f...
by ariphron
Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:51 am
 
Forum: Open Board
Topic: Re-Organizing the Forums
Replies: 56
Views: 28266

Re: Sprechen Sie Attisch?

Only now, a couple days ago, did I come across this project, after several months off from learning Greek. During much of that period, I worked on my German every day, so the recording comes to me at a very good time. This book is quite enjoyable to go through with the help of your recording. Thank ...
by ariphron
Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:11 am
 
Forum: Composition Board
Topic: Sprechen Sie Attisch?
Replies: 36
Views: 16372

Re: Question regarding οὐ

I suppose we might think of οὐ the same way. That’s how Smyth presents it, see bedwere's link. But the other negative, μή, does have an accent. Go figure. Smyth is good on facts, less good on explanations (e.g. he won’t tell you why ὁ has no accent but τόν does). We learn just to accept these thing...
by ariphron
Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:36 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Question regarding οὐ
Replies: 14
Views: 2848

Re: Greek reader reviews

This discussion deserves an update. I’ve made more recordings over the last month, including Morice (56-74), plus Xenophon’s Anabasis Book 1 Chapter 8, and also some adapted Herodotus: The Battle of Marathon from Phillpotts’s adaptation and the Boyhood of Cyrus (plus some other excerpts) from Farnel...
by ariphron
Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:10 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 97
Views: 40558

Re: how do you learn 3rd declensions?

Single-length vowels: ᾰ, ε, ῐ, ο, ῠ Double-length: ᾱ, η, ῑ, ῡ, ω Dipthongs αι, αυ, ει, ευ, οι, ου, ηυ, υι, ᾳ, ῃ, ῳ It's surprising that the early Greeks were able to maintain so many graphically distinct vowels -- likely phonetically distinct -- it was probably only possible because of the vowel le...
by ariphron
Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:43 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do you learn 3rd declensions?
Replies: 37
Views: 6456

Re: Vowel / Diphthong length

It seems we have three hypotheses floating around here, not counting the one proposed by Lucus Eques in the other thread: 1. The traditional view, that these finals are diphthongs, normally making the syllables “long by nature” except in cases of “epic correption”, but that for some unknown reason t...
by ariphron
Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:19 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Vowel / Diphthong length
Replies: 9
Views: 3019

Re: Vowel / Diphthong length

Final -αι and -οι before a vowel usually scan short in Homer, or at least those parts of Homer that I've read; I'm not sure why you would pronounce it long. I haven't really read any Attic verse, but skimming through several pages of tragedy, every occurrence I found was followed by a consonant. If ...
by ariphron
Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:58 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Vowel / Diphthong length
Replies: 9
Views: 3019

Re: how do you learn 3rd declensions?

There are basically 3 ways to pronounce Ancient Greek that are currently used, and the biggest difference is in the pronunciation of the vowels and diphthongs: 1. Restored Attic/Erasmian (variations): α/ε/η/ι/ο/υ/ω/ου/αι/οι/ει 11 distinct vowel/diphthongs 2. Restored Koine/NT: α/ε=αι/η/ι=ει/ο=ω/υ=ο...
by ariphron
Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:34 pm
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do you learn 3rd declensions?
Replies: 37
Views: 6456

Re: Greek reader reviews

For an example in English, listen to the sample audio from Griffin's reading Gibbon: http://www.audible.com/pd/History/The-Decline-and-Fall-of-the-Roman-Empire-Audiobook/B00VXXUFYO/ Is Griffin paying attention as he reads? I can't tell. He puts his artifice into individual words, and the phrases do...
by ariphron
Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:39 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 97
Views: 40558

Re: Greek reader reviews

I listened to the first story, and I think that it might be useful to give each story a few reads before recording, until you feel that you can really communicate what it's saying. That's exactly what I did. For the one you're referring to, #17 (which I recorded recently; #11-16 are much older reco...
by ariphron
Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:48 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 97
Views: 40558

Re: how do you learn 3rd declensions?

I would encourage people to re-read a text until they can read it with a decent flow and meaning and then record themselves to listen to later. The mind learns language much more efficiently through the ear than through the eye. If we could listen to ancient Greeks reading, that would be great. But...
by ariphron
Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:54 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: how do you learn 3rd declensions?
Replies: 37
Views: 6456

Re: Greek reader reviews

But why, when Herodotus does not use Attic dialect forms? Working out a distinctively Ionic reading style for Herodotus involves adjusting the vowels to something slightly different from Attic, and dropping all h's. I suspect that if I did so, it would be a lot of effort for nothing,resulting in re...
by ariphron
Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:47 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 97
Views: 40558

Re: Greek reader reviews

A First Greek Reader by Charles M. Moss https://archive.org/details/afirstgreekread00mossgoog I haven't read this one yet. I would love to hear other people's reviews. I looked at it, and felt that it was very closely modeled on the Morice. Some of the stories are the same as in Morice, but simplif...
by ariphron
Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:36 pm
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek reader reviews
Replies: 97
Views: 40558

Re: What kind of texts are hardest?

After encountering the words κέγχρος (proso millet) and μελίνη (Foxtail millet) I remember puzzling over those terms the first time I encountered them in Anabasis I:2:22. The ancient Chinese had a strikingly similar proverbial list of five grains, including 稷 ji (presumably foxtail millet) and 黍 sh...
by ariphron
Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:55 pm
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: What kind of texts are hardest?
Replies: 23
Views: 5253

Re: Rouse's Greek Composition Book

I'm interested in the group too. Also made a pledge to the Kickstarter campaign. Whoo! It's been a while since I've posted here. I'm restarting my study of Greek after a break. (A move, several months as the primary caregiver of a small child, with the little spare time available devoted to music an...
by ariphron
Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:43 pm
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Rouse's Greek Composition Book
Replies: 8
Views: 2878

Re: Audio practice thread

That was an unalloyed pleasure to listen to. You fit a clear distinction among the different kinds of accent into a natural-sounding flow with excellent rhythm and expression. I'm not convinced the distinction between unaspirated (πτκ) and aspirated (φθχ) stops is sufficiently robust, but I can live...
by ariphron
Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:13 pm
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio practice thread
Replies: 38
Views: 6462

Re: Nagy's "crystallization" model

Bach! ... The manuscript tradition there is extremely interesting, as his works were divided among his (many) children, and that is how nearly everything that we have came down to us. I'm not sure what survived from his employers. Records storage facilities seem to get destroyed by fire far too oft...
by ariphron
Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:48 am
 
Forum: Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry
Topic: Nagy's "crystallization" model
Replies: 16
Views: 6064

Re: Doric forms?

They also say the different "dialects" of Chinese are not mutually intelligible. The northern, or "Mandarin" dialects are probably about as diverse as the continental West Germanic dialects put together (German, Dutch, Frisian, with Dungan standing in for Yiddish). The Wu dialec...
by ariphron
Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:59 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Doric forms?
Replies: 42
Views: 8958

Re: Audio practice thread

First of all, my approach to accentuation mostly follows D&S, but with great attention to a phrase's analysis into morphemes. In a clitic group with an acute accent, the pitch goes from mid to high, going upward by small steps at each morpheme boundary, reaches its peak at the accent (usually re...
by ariphron
Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:35 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio practice thread
Replies: 38
Views: 6462

Re: Audio practice thread

I've made recordings for the first two passages Joel selected, and posted them here: https://archive.org/details/TKAP_ariphron When I tried transcribing the Menander from Joel's recording, the first line came out as ἡ τ’άνα μεσῶν θραυσα δ/τ is the distinction that I find hardest to keep consistent i...
by ariphron
Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:30 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Audio practice thread
Replies: 38
Views: 6462

Re: Odysseias Z: New Audio Recording

I doubt that I'm any more informed than Paul. Most of what I know is what I read in Vox Graeca , and Allen gives very wide windows when it comes to sound shifts that don't result in lost distinctions. For instance, with ου, originally [o:]/[ow], he is confident that people were losing the genuine/sp...
by ariphron
Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:13 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Odysseias Z: New Audio Recording
Replies: 7
Views: 1923

Re: Odysseias Z: New Audio Recording

As far as I heard, you pronounced φ, χ, and θ as aspirated stops and not as fricatives Always. My new pronunciation makes β, γ, δ into fricatives intervocalically except before a strongly stressed syllable (essentially, δ is /ð/ in the same positions where English d would be reduced to a light tong...
by ariphron
Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:32 pm
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Odysseias Z: New Audio Recording
Replies: 7
Views: 1923

Odysseias Z: New Audio Recording

I would like to announce that I have just posted a recording of Odyssey Book 6 on Internet Archive. https://archive.org/details/Odysseias06_ariphron It represents the results of more than a year of practice and experimentation in crafting a reading style in which pitch, stress, and rhythm are contro...
by ariphron
Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:42 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Odysseias Z: New Audio Recording
Replies: 7
Views: 1923

Re: Key to Sidgwick and Morice's Greek Verse Composition

http://books.google.com/books/about/Key_to_Greek_verse_composition_by_A_Sidg.html?id=ctMIAAAAQAAJ

It's funny, there's also a Google books result for (a reprint of) this that doesn't have the downloadable book.
by ariphron
Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:01 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Key to Sidgwick and Morice's Greek Verse Composition
Replies: 3
Views: 1740

Re: Reading versions of Anabasis, Iliad

For mwh: http://greek.io/texts/iliad_uc.html I found the script that you used for this on Github. There are some advantages to getting some practice in reading this orthography (for one thing, you have to pay extra close attention to the endings, just to figure out where the next word begins), but ...
by ariphron
Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:23 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Reading versions of Anabasis, Iliad
Replies: 29
Views: 8750

Greek verb conjugation flashcard study

Along the same lines as the flashcard generators discussed in the thread Greek noun declension Anki study http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62512 (these are Joel's project https://github.com/jeidsath/ankigreeknouns and my modified version at https://github.com/tallguy7...
by ariphron
Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:47 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek verb conjugation flashcard study
Replies: 0
Views: 1450

Re: Greek noun declension Anki study

I've now got the verbs in my preferred form as well, and I've fixed the Ἑρμῆς problem. The repository has three files for subsets of the verb forms: one for finite forms in non-reduplicated tenses (present, future, aorist, imperfect), one for finite forms in reduplicated tenses (perfect, pluperfect,...
by ariphron
Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:10 pm
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek noun declension Anki study
Replies: 14
Views: 4911

Re: Greek noun declension Anki study

I've got my version up, with the noun cards in my preferred format.

https://github.com/tallguy76/ankigreeknouns
by ariphron
Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:01 pm
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek noun declension Anki study
Replies: 14
Views: 4911

Re: Greek noun declension Anki study

I'm working on a version that formats the cards according to my preference. A unified version that outputs multiple versions of each card type or formats the output according to a user-specified template would require a significant rewrite, so a merge is not likely ever to happen. Information on Pyt...
by ariphron
Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:56 am
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek noun declension Anki study
Replies: 14
Views: 4911

Re: Greek noun declension Anki study

The verb cards look interesting. I’d find them hard to use, since I haven’t learned the Greek grammatical terms. I’d strongly prefer something with abbreviated English names for the classification. Geoffrey Steadman's commentaries use one system. I use the following: "${tense}${mood} ${voice} $...
by ariphron
Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:04 pm
 
Forum: Learning Greek
Topic: Greek noun declension Anki study
Replies: 14
Views: 4911
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