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Greek or Latin first?

I would like to learn the classics in chronological order. My reason is that I want to be able to trace the development of ideas in the order that they appear. To do do that, it seems to me I should learn ancient Greek first. However, I am under the impression that students in the trivium generally learn Latin first and then Greek. I would definitely like to learn both. What are the pros and ...
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Original Cases in Greek

1) In Homer several words end in "-then", refering to motion away from a place. Some genitives also end in "-then", such as "emethen". I know that the genitive in Attic Greek includes the ablative. So is the "-then" ending a "true" ablative?

2) What is the -de suffix on words (oikade, athenazde etc) , grammatically speaking? It indicates a kind of motion - motion towards. Is it a kind of case? Or is it ...
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Vulgar Greek?

Was there such a thing as vulgar greek? I mean I haven't seen much material about the language of common greek people in the pre-koine period.
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A child of Latin

Some of you might be interested to see what happened to Latin after it kicked about in southern France for a millennium: Old Occitan.
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hOI in Iliad 1:104

pi/mplant', o)/sse de/ oi( puri\ lampeto/wnti e)i/kthn. I am a little puzzled about oi(. I can't see it belonging to anything except o)/sse. However o)/sse is dual and oi( is plural.
Can someone help me out of my puzzlement?

Thank you.
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I am a fourth year Latin student.
I do not know where to find appropriate translations. I am eager to find literature that is challenging, but at the same time not frusterating.

My portfolio of famous pieces I have translated includes:
Bayeux Tapestry, Carmina Burana, a little bit of St. Jerome, The Rape of Lucretia

Am I ready for Virgil?
Please, who and what should I read?

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The noun "Zeus"

1) Zeus, Dia, Dios Dii - presumably this is linked to the adjective dios - "godlike"? Did Zeus originally mean God and then become applied to the king of the gods? Or the reverse?
Or was there a word Di (nominative) which had Zeus replace its nominative? This seems unlikely b/c z (sd) is phonetically similarish to d I think....

2) Zeus originally had a digamma - Zewus. Is the root of words like div(w)ine?
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M&F Unit 13 Latin to English again

pg 227 No. 32

Di in caelo, parcite nobis! Naturam optimam ducem tamquam deum sequimur eique paremus.

Gods in heaven, spare us! We follow our leader like a god and obey him. (More idiomatically, we follow and obey our leader as if he were a god.)

But where does naturam optimam fit in?
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Jonny Wilkinson's late drop goal gives England an exhilarating 20-17 extra-time victory over Australia.

World Cup champions! Image
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Scitisne vos hoc?

Num scitis columbas esse unas aves quae sugere possunt? Certe! Id heri cognovi! Postremo nocte mihi dictum est.

"Vere? Quid dicit hic episcopus ruber?" vos dicatis.

Mwahah! Audite! Audiatur episcopus! Non cessavi iam loqui! Est plus! Si quidam serpens vobis noceat, est una res quae vos servare potest! Multa latine dicere non possum, paulum unum dicam. Rapite columbam, deinde ponite "agmen novissimum" in vulnus vestrum. Columba haec ubi mortem perveniat, rapite aliam ne vulnus nondum ...
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