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LLPSI Cap XLIII: Roma et Alba

(even adapted) Livy's a bit tricky here. Here's the opening paragraph of Orberg's LLPSI Cap XLIII. with his side note explanations in square brackets . A worrying number of uncertainties in just the first short paragraph!

Ex T. Livii 'Ab urbe condita' libro I.22-31, nonnullis mutatis et praetermissis

1. nonnullis mutatis et praetermissis looks like a ablative plural. What is it agreeing with?

Albanis bellum indictum ...
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Helmut van Thiel's Ilias

I received my copy of van Thiel in the mail today, and have been having great fun looking through it. It's going to take me some time to read through the introduction, as my German is not good. On his website is a copy of the D-scholia, (and somewhere a version of the Iliad without accents, according to the introduction, but I was not able to find it).

However, I was sad to see this ...

Metam. X, line 349 ff. Please check my parse.

Context: Myrrha's soliloquy, in which she meditates on her forbidden sexual love for her own father, yet unconsummated.

Starting at line 349, this was a hard sentence for me. I quickly got a general idea of what was suggested in the lines, but I could find no parsing until after reading a translation.

"Nec metues atro crinitas angue sorores,
quas facibus saevis oculos atque ora petentes
noxia corda vident?"

The implicit premise is that there ...
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De punctuatione Graeca et Latina

Quomodo oportet in Graecis Latinisque textis verba distinguere, ubi commata scribere? Certe, in temporibus antiquis nulla punctuatio erat, nunc autem non possumus ab verborum interpunctis abstinere. Alicubi legi quod Latine scribentes fere regulas punctuationis eorum linguarum natalium tenent. Num regulae certae non sunt? Nullus consensus?
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aorist passive optative in a future less vivid apodosis

Hi all,

I have a question about aorist optatives: in the line οὐδ' ἂν διαλεχθείνην γ' ἀτεχνῶς τοῖς ἄλλοις ... (Aristoph. Clouds 425), does any one know why the verb διαλεχθείνην uses the aorist passive stem? I believe it is in the optative mood because it is part of the apodosis of a future less vivid condiation with an implied protasis. The verb itself comes from διαλέγομαι ...
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Καλήμερα from Calgary

Hello All! I'm a librarian who did Latin and ancient Greek in years ago university, and continue to enjoy studying them on my own to this day. I'm focusing on Greek right now, slogging through the Clouds by Aristophanes on my own, but hope to post a few question to the forum to ask for help along the way (and offer it where I can, as well).


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Bridging Beginner Courses and "Real" Greek?

I'm finding the transition from beginner's Greek (of which I have a pretty good grasp) to "real Greek" somewhat difficult, particularly in assessing different author's styles and preferences for certain expressions, meters, etc. , and was hoping my fellow Greek learners could provide me with some resources to help. I quite like the model of Cambridge Intermediate Latin Readers (e.g. From Augustus to Nero, ISBN 10: 0521528046) where grammar and style of various Roman authors ...
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Alexandros [LLPSI for Greek]

In the past few days I had the oportunity of holding a recent edition of this book. It is an adaptation of Rouse's A Greek Boy at Home in the manner of LLPSI, meaning the text is presented with constant paralel information both in the manner of images and of simplified grammatical explanations for the Greek text. Most of us who tend toward the so-called inductive methods usually use the italian version of Athenaze, which ...
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On page 126 of LLPSO Orberg explains effractis as follows:

ef-fringere, -fregisse, -fractum < ex + frangere

I'm perplexed: usually when he separates words with a hyphen he's pointing out that it's formed from another word and the suggestion is that here we join ef to fringere to get effringere.

However fringere is, to my knowledge, not a Latin word - or is it?
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Odyssey, Book 15, 16, 17 and 18

Hello everybody, I hope you can help me with these questions that I've being accumulating on my notes. Thanks for the help, as always.

    Book 15

  1. εὗρε δὲ Τηλέμαχον καὶ Νέστορος ἀγλαὸν υἱὸν
    5. εὕδοντ᾽ ἐν προδόμῳ Μενελάου κυδαλίμοιο,
    ἦ τοι Νεστορίδην μαλακῷ δεδμημένον ὕπνῳ:

    Merry says:

    There is an apparent contradiction: ‘she found both sleeping... but
    Telemachus was not sleeping.’ It may remind us of the famous
    contradiction about Zeus, between Il.1. ...


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