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So-Called Latin Pronunciation

The arguments over the pronunciation of Latin and how the Romans spoke
in this forum can only make one laugh.

For the first thing the Latin we read and study was never a "spoken language" It was a formal literary language that was used by the educated
classes and was artificially developed on Greek models. This language was
used for writing and formal speeches but was never spoken (Much like
Shakespeare is read outloud and ...
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Hymnus Europae

saluete omnes

Just discovered this version of the Hymnus Europae

Est Europa nunc unita
et unita maneat;
una in diversitate
pacem mundi augeat.

Semper regant in Europa
fides et iustitia
et libertas populorum
in maiore patria.

Cives, floreat Europa,
opus magnum vocat vos.
Stellae signa sunt in caelo
aureae, quae iungant nos.

I prefer the original, though - I think Schiller's poetry is just a little bit better than mr. Roland's efforts ...
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Usage of J, I and V and U

Why do so many modern books use u instead of v in the lower case?

The Romans wrote in capital letters and used the letters I and V.

In the eight century lower case letters were introduced.

The letter U was not introduced until the tenth century.
The letter J was introduced in the seventeenth century.

Since the excuse is often given that I and U are used for both
consonant I (J) and U ...
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Usage of Fore

I have read that fore is used for "futurum esse" but how do you
know when to use one or the other?

Would the following sentences be translated in the same way? :

1. Dixi eum fore tutum.
2. Dixi eum tutum iri.

Also, would "Dixi eum futurum esse tutum" be the same as sentence one?
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Thucydides' Grand Summer Iliad Reading

This summer I'm going to read the whole Iliad in Greek. I have assembled a vast array of scholarly tomes to help me:

Monro's Commentary
Willcock's Commentary
Autenreith's Dictionary
Seymour's Grammar
Monro's Grammar
Iliad Loebs
EV Rieu's translation
Hammond's translation
Vocab lists for a lot of the books

Anything I'm missing? What's the Leaf commentary like for instance?
Are there any outstanding commentaries on particular books? (I hear MacCleod on 24 is very good).

At ...
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Wheelock Chapter 1

Hi all. I've just started working through Wheelock today, on my own, as a summer project. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone cares to review my translation of the little piece entitled "The Poet Horace contemplates an invitation."

Here is the Latin, if you dont want to look it up:
Maecaenas et Vergilius me hodie vocant. Quid cogitare debeo? Quid debeo respondere? Si erro, me saepe moment et culpant; si non erro, me laudant. Quid ...
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It's always awful to hear about carnage, but there's some special twinge that comes when you've been to the carnage site. A large chunk of my time in London was spent in the King's Cross station.

I never know what to say. I hope our London textkittens are well.
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Another reason I prefer Greek.

Just caught this at the onion.


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adeo vs. tam, word order

What's the difference and when should you use each of "adeo" and "tam"? I'm going through North and Hillard right now and it seems like they just randomly choose between them.

Another thing that he seems fairly inconsistent about is word order with esse. Sometimes he separates the words being copulated, and sometimes not (is there an unemphatic ordering...?)

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Some good friends of mine have been teasing me for studying Latin, a dead language, and I thought it would be funny to cuss at them in Latin next time they do so (we swear at each other enough in English, so it won't be taken personally). Does anyone know any obscenities that I could use?
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