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Why is it "miserere mei" but "miserere nobis"?

I've been listening to some sacred music tonight and in the Gloria, among other places, "miseror" is used with the dative "nibis" instead of the prescribed genitive. I was thinking that maybe that was just a medieval thing, but I remembered the hymn/psalm "Miserere mei, Deus" which would also be medieval (or at least late antiquity). "Nobis" is more idiomatic in English but I've looked it up in a few places and they all say ...
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Building an extensive vocabulary


I am a senior in college hopefully on my way to a grad program in medieval history. This is my third year studying Latin, and while I have made significant progress, the extensive and at times heterogeneous nature of medieval Latin vocabulary is becoming a bit of a stumbling block. Is this an issue that eventually resolves itself through more reading and experience or are there any specific methods to address this issue more ...
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More from LLPSI Capitoluim XLII (Exercitium 11) where Orberg is testing on use of Gerundive - this is question 3:

Aborigines ad arcendam vim advenarum concurrunt.

The indigenous inhabitants ran to prevent the power of the new invaders.

ad arcendam vim is gerundive expressing purpose.

Am I right in taking it that the vim here is the vim of the advenarum?
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Dido puero intuendo

In LLPSI Capitoluim XLII (Exercitium 11) Orberg is testing on use of Gerundive and, seemingly, is providing as a hint the Gerund counterpart. Here is one example:

2. Dido puero intuendo incenditur.

So Dido puero intuendo incenditur is Gerundive and means something like Dido, 'The boy having to be looked at, was inflamed'.

The explanation in square brackets suggests that, using a gerundive, this would be written:

Dido puerum intuendo incenditur which means ...
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Isaias 42:10

In church today the first reading was Isaias (Isaiah) 42:10-16

42:10 was given in English as:

Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise from the end of the Earth! Let the sea roar and all that fills it, the coastlands and their inhabitants.

I usually follow the readings in Latin. However the Latin from my Weber-Grysson (5th edition) gives

Cantate Domino canticum novum, laus ejus ab extremis terrae, qui descenditis in mare, et ...
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Sabinas rapiendas

In LLPSI Cap XLII exercitium 16. Orberg asks:

Quando Romulus signum praedae dedit?

To which I answer.

Ubi spectaculumm oculos Sabinorum tenebat Romulus signum Sabinas rapiendas fuisse dedit.

Can I use a gerundive like this? If so is it in the right case?
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What use of the dative is this?

At the end of Book 2 of Ovid's 'calendar' poem, Fasti, the poet has reached February 28. He writes these lines:

Vênimus in portum, libro cum mense peracto.
Naviget hinc aliâ jam mihi linter aquâ.

'We've come to port, the book (of the current poem) ending with the month.
From here may my little boat sail through other waters.'

What is this construction with 'mihi' called? How does it work? Can someone give me other ...
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Bina tantum spolia opima...

In Orberg's LLPSI exercitium 11.6 habet:

Bina tantum spolia opima capta sunt: adeo rara fuit fortuna eius decoris adipiscendi .

I think this means: The spolia opima were captured only twice: such was the rare fortune of this honour of seizure.

I can't translate this into English very well. But, assuming my understanding is accurate my question is this: is 'eius' there for emphasis? If the word were not there would ...
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Question Answered.

Jordi Savalli has released an album of viol music called "pro pacem" and I would have thought that a man with his competence at music would pay attention to such basic Latin.

Is there any precedent anywhere for pro being used with an accusative?
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Exercitium 7 in Orberg's Exercitia II for Capitolium XLII

I'm a bit perplextd by Exercitium 7 in Orberg's Exercitia II for Capitolium XLII.

Here it is with the correct answers in bold italics:


Imperator milites hortatur, priusquam/antequam pugna committitur (ind.)

Latinus ad colloquium processit, priusquam/antequam signuum pugnandi daretur (conj.)

1. Romulus auspicatus est, priusquam/antequam Romam condidit.

2. Fidenates, priusquam urbs Roma validior esset, properaverunt bellum facere.

3. Hostes perterriti, priusquam equites impetum facerent, terga verterunt.

4. Paulo antequam ...
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