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In Catilinam 1.2, again

I almost missed this:

Ad mortem te, Catilina, duci iussu consulis iam pridem oportebat, in te conferri pestem quam tu in nos omnis iam diu machinaris.

"You, Catiline, ought to have been led to your death by order of the consul long ago; you ought to have the evil that you so long plotted against all of us conferred upon you."

Why the *present* infinitive "duci" to refer to past (i.e. "pridem") action? Does it ...
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In Catilinam 1.2

I'm having trouble with one sentence:

Nos autem fortes viri satis facere rei publicae videmur, si istius furorem ac tela vitamus.

("We brave men, however, seem to do enough for the republic if we avoid that man's furor and weapons.")

Obviously Cicero doesn't think that and the sentence is ironic, but what might a better translation be? "Videmur" and "vitamus" are both indicative so this would be a factual condition. I'm having trouble making sense ...
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Tamen a fratre indemnatam necari non oportuit

In Orberg LLPSI Cap XLIII we have (an extract from Civero De Inventione where he is presenting a demonstration argument in determining the guilt or innocence of the Horatii in the murder of his sister.

It is pretty clear up until this:

Infirmatio est: "Tamen a fratre indemnatam necari non oportuit.

indemnatam is accusative because it follows infinitive, right?

Nevertheless it is not right for the innocent (woman) to be killed by the brother.
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In Catilinam 1.1

I've read the first two -- what do you call the divisions? They contain more than one sentence, so you can't call them sentences, but they're too short to be called sections or chapters -- divisions in In Catilinam and so far, so good (the third looks to be a bit trickier but we'll cross that bridge when we get there).

But in this sentence (context: Cicero is ranting and raving at Catiline):

Nihilne te ...
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in qua exempli gratia

In Orberg LLPSI Cap XLIII some text by Cicero on the story of the Horatii is introduced. It's from De Inventione.

The introductory comments by Orberg are:

Cicero adulescens artem oratoriam scripsit 'De inventione', id est de inveniendis argumentis, in qua exempli gratia causam Horatii attulit:...

Cicero as an adolescent wrote the art of oratory 'De Inventione', it concerns arguments that are useful, in which, as an example, the case of the Horatii is discussed. ...
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Tunc adeo fractus

Took me a while to understand the part in italics (assuming I do understand it!). It's Orberg LLPSI XLIII adapted Livy and it explains how Tullus got religion and instilled it into his people. I found the underlined phrase tricky - partly because it's so easy to get the wrong end of the stick in Latin.

Tunc adeo fractus simul cum corpore est animus ille ferox, ut qui antea nihil minus regium ratus esset quam ...
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Devictis Sabinis


Devictis Sabinis, cum in magna gloria magnisque opibus regnum Tulli ac tota res Romana esset, nuntiatum regi patribusque est 'in monte Albano lapides de caelo cecidisse.' Etiam vox ingens ex summo monte audita Albanos monuisse dicitur 'ut patrio ritu sacra facerent.' Nam, velut dis quoque simul cum patria relictis, Albani aut Romana sacra susceperant aut fortunae irati cultum reliquerant deorum. ...
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Evangeline before Virgil

I have a way to go with LLPSI before I'll be ready for Virgil. Since the hexameter of Virgil (or Homer, for that matter) takes some getting used to for a native english speaker, I've begun using Longfellow's Evangeline, A Tale of Acadie, the most widely read english epic in dactylic hexameter, as a training aid. Has anyone else used Evangeline to train his or her ear to poetic hexameter?
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I Tatti Library

Does anyone have any idea how difficult Renaissance Latin is?

Harvard's I Tatti library publish a lot of this (much of it for the first time in modern times I believe).

See http://www.hup.harvard.edu/results-list.php?collection=1145.
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Principes Albanorum in patres legit

This from Orberg Cap XLIII describes how the Alabani contributed to the senate:

Principes Albanorum in patres legit, ut ea quoque pars rei publicae cresceret, et senatui ita ab se aucto curiam aedificavit, quae 'curia Hostilia' usque ad patrum nostrorum aetatem appellata est.

He appointed the Albani leaders to the senate, in order to increase that part of the state, and onto the senate, increased by him in this way, he built the Curia ...
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