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γενέσθαι vs. γεννηθῆναι in Galatians 4

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In Galatians 4, it seems that Paul intentionally used γενέσθαι when speaking of Jesus while γεννηθῆναι when talking of Isaac and Ishmael being born of Sarah and Hagar, respectively.

Here are the verses in question:

4:4-5 ὅτε δὲ ἦλθεν τὸ πλήρωμα τοῦ χρόνου, ἐξαπέστειλεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ, γενόμενον ἐκ γυναικός, γενόμενον ὑπὸ νόμον, ἵνα τοὺς ὑπὸ νόμον ἐξαγοράσῃ, ἵνα τὴν υἱοθεσίαν ...
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Acts 15:11

ἀλλὰ διὰ τῆς χάριτος τοῦ κυρίου Ἰησοῦ πιστεύομεν σωθῆναι καθʼ ὃν τρόπον κἀκεῖνοι.


The sermon was on this last week, and I was a bit surprised by the translation of "καθʼ ὃν τρόπον κἀκεῖνοι." I was surprised by the nominative at the end, and I took καθ’ distributively, "each according to his nature, even as they." Needless to say, nobody seems to translate the verse that way, so I must be missing something obvious.
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ἕνεκα | ἕνεκεν marking a purpose clause

ἕνεκα | ἕνεκεν marking a purpose clause

SBLGNT 2Cor 7:12
ἄρα εἰ καὶ ἔγραψα ὑμῖν, οὐχ ἕνεκεν τοῦ ἀδικήσαντος, οὐδὲ ἕνεκεν τοῦ ἀδικηθέντος, ἀλλ᾽ ἕνεκεν τοῦ φανερωθῆναι τὴν σπουδὴν ὑμῶν τὴν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν πρὸς ὑμᾶς ἐνώπιον τοῦ θεοῦ.

NASB 2Cor 7:12
So although I wrote to you, it was not for the sake of the offender nor for the sake of the one offended, but that your earnestness on our behalf might be made ...
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optative in John13:24

been doing johanine text for awhile..
ppl tend to say that it is one of the simplest greek text out there that I agree somehow(but not with the subject matter that is not that simple)
this is my third times reading the whole St John gospel
and if I am allowed to boast, the more I read the more I become familiar with the contents but at the same times new unfamiliarity appears..

at first ...
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INFINITIVE CLAUSE SYNTAX IN THE GOSPELS

Couple of days ago unearthed a 40 year old thesis which gives a snapshot of what was going on in NT linguistics from structuralism to generative grammar. It is written in style which is somewhat more accessible to students in that it was written by a student.

INFINITIVE CLAUSE SYNTAX IN THE GOSPELS Edgar J. Lovelady
http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hil ... intive.pdf
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Where to go from here

Hello!

I finished Mounce's Basics of Biblical Greek and am about halfway through Wallace's Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics and I had a couple questions I was hoping some of you could offer me some advice.

1) For vocabulary, I have been making flash cards and am attempting to learn all the words occurring 20 times or more using Trenchard's Complete Vocabulary Guide but I'm wondering if this is the best way to go about ...
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ὅτι τάχιστά & ὡς τάχιστα

S.OT 1340
Ἀπάγετ' ἐκτόπιον ὅτι τάχιστά με,

ὅτι τάχιστά functions here as an adverbial constituent.

Goeffery Steadman has a helpful note on this. Smyth §1086 talks about it as well. Turns out this idiom is found several hundred times in TLG and ὡς τάχιστα is even more common. However both are super rare in canonical texts.

Acts 17:15 οἱ δὲ καθιστάνοντες τὸν Παῦλον ἤγαγον ἕως Ἀθηνῶν, καὶ λαβόντες ἐντολὴν πρὸς τὸν Σιλᾶν καὶ τὸν Τιμόθεον ...
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Does "apipiora" mean anything in Greek?

Is there a Greek word that sounds like "apipiora" and means "prince"?

Background: I've been wondering about the etymology of the Hebrew word for "pope". According to a good dictionary, the origin is an Aramaic word borrowed (and no doubt mangled a bit) from Greek. "Apipiora" is how that Aramaic word would look in the Roman alphabet. Or if this helps, in Aramaic it's spelled
אַפּיפּיורָא
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Soph. OT 1329-25 Sophocles syntax for Koine readers

Some Koine people may find this difficult to read.

Soph. OT 1329-25

Ἀπόλλων τάδ' ἦν, Ἀπόλλων, φίλοι,
ὁ κακὰ κακὰ τελῶν ἐμὰ τάδ' ἐμὰ πάθεα.
Ἔπαισε δ' αὐτόχειρ νιν οὔ-
τις, ἀλλ' ἐγὼ τλάμων.
Τί γὰρ ἔδει μ' ὁρᾶν,
ὅτῳ γ' ὁρῶντι μηδὲν ἦν ἰδεῖν γλυκύ;


I tried to feed Ἔπαισε δ' αὐτόχειρ νιν οὔτις ἀλλ' ἐγὼ τλάμων into a (unreal) generative parsing automata (machine) and ran into problems. Ἔπαισε δ' αὐτόχειρ νιν looks ...
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2Cor 5:19 Exegetical Challange

2Cor 5:19 ὡς ὅτι θεὸς ἦν ἐν Χριστῷ κόσμον καταλλάσσων ἑαυτῷ, μὴ λογιζόμενος αὐτοῖς τὰ παραπτώματα αὐτῶν, καὶ θέμενος ἐν ἡμῖν τὸν λόγον τῆς καταλλαγῆς.

Late last night I was listening to Michael Bird talking about Christology in Mark's Gospel in dialogue with Bart Ehrman. This morning was back working on 2Cor looking at "θεὸς ἦν ἐν Χριστῷ κόσμον καταλλάσσων ἑαυτῷ" and wondering about how many ways this could be understood or misunderstood. For example, ...
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