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Sexual Desire: πυροῦσθαι (burned) and ἐξεκαύθησαν (inflamed)

Is there good reason why πυροῦσθαι (burned) in 1Cor7:9 and ἐξεκαύθησαν (inflamed) in Rom1:27 cannot be read as expressing the same idea?

I mean is there other evidence to suggest that ἐξεκαύθησαν (inflamed) is only used with a negative or deviant behavior, while πυροῦσθαι (burned) expresses a purer type of sexual desire? Or are both words simply used to expression a high level sexual desire (i.e. one that is burning or enflamed)?

ὃς δι’ ἂν?

I do not know whether this phrases is just a trivial or not a difference at all

from John 4:14 ὃς δι’ ἂν πίῃ ἐκ τοῦ ὕδατος οὗ ἐγὼ δώσω αὐτῷ, (PT)
ὃς δʼ ἂν πίῃ ἐκ τοῦ ὕδατος οὗ ἐγὼ δώσω αὐτῷ, (UBS)

I can read the second line for it is perfectly make sense,
but whoever drink from the water that I will give him

but how about the first line? could it ...
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Robertson's Grammar

I just picked up Robertson's Grammar of the Greek New Testament in the Light of Historical Research for a couple bucks at a thrift store. I'm a beginning/intermediate reader of NT Greek. Maybe someone here could offer a take on a couple questions.

1) Is any part of the book under academic scrutiny? (I bought most volumes of Kittel's TDNT at the same store, and finding criticism of that scholarship is very easy)
2) As ...
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Acts 2.23-24 participle nom plural

τοῦτον τῇ ὡρισμένῃ βουλῇ καὶ προγνώσει τοῦ θεοῦ ἔκδοτον διὰ χειρὸς ἀνόμων προσπήξαντες ἀνείλατε, ὃν ὁ θεὸς ἀνέστησεν λύσας τὰς ὠδῖνας τοῦ θανάτου, καθότι οὐκ ἦν δυνατὸν κρατεῖσθαι αὐτὸν ὑπ᾽ αὐτοῦ:.

My translation
This one (ie Jesus) by the deliberate will and foreknowledge of God was given up to you and you using impious men attaching him (ie crucifying) killed him whom God raised up releasing from the agony of death inasmuch as it was ...
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Edition for NT Apocrypha?

Does anyone know if there is a standard edition with the NT Apocrypha in general use? I would be thinking about something close to this and this, except containing the original texts instead of translations. I did a few searches, and nothing conclusive seemed to appear. Yet it seems to me like the kind of thing that probably exists, so I'm asking here.

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Thomas Naeogeorgus on Greek grammar of Bible verse

Greetings, Steven Avery here, from Hyde Park, NY. In Bible research, occasionally I run into interesting question on Latin and Greek issues. I have found that look to be excellent writings (e.g. Prudent Maran and Johann Albert Fabricius in the 1700s) have never been translated.

Here is a Latin sentence from the 1500s that could use translation.

Miror etiam, quamobrem Ioannes tribus neutris masculina & postposuerit, & praeposuerit, irata Grammatica, nisi fortasis scriptura est deprauata ...
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Basics of Biblical Greek

I am using William Mounce's Basics of Biblical Greek 3rd edition. It takes me longer to do the memorization because of brain injuries from auto accidents and twice undergoing chemo treatments (chemo brain). It would be helpful if anyone else is using BOBG 3rd ed that we could help & encourage each other. I feel very much alone in this.
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Coptic for students of Biblical Greek

Having read a number of popular books that deal with the Nag Hammadi Library, I have often wondered how much effort it takes to become proficient in Coptic. I downloaded a pdf of COPTIC IN 20 LESSONS and read through the first eleven lessons. The author appears to be the north american expert on the subject with a full grammar and other publications. He states that the 20 Lessons represent one academic year worth of ...
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My Greek Reading

This is me reading Greek:

This is Bill Mounce "reading" Greek:

This is how a typical student from Trinitarian Seminary "reads" Greek:
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P.Egerton 2

Found S. E. Porter in my local library yesterday. The probability of this happening is very low. But they also have a book by Michael Bird so it isn't impossible. Porter is currently dabbling in papyrology. He launches into a very dense argument for an early date for John's Gospel based in part on allusions to John in P.Egerton 2, a document that has been known since the 1930s. Porter's argument isn't overwhelmingly persuasive but ...
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