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perfect participle in John 11:56

I don't understand the aspect of the perfect participle e(thko/tes.
Here is the applicable part of the verse.
e)zh/toun ou)=n to\n *)ihsou=n kai\e)/legon met' a)llh/lwn e)n tw=| i(erw=| e(sthko/tes,

I would have understood either an aorist or a present participle but I don't understand why a perfect. Having stood?
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predicate nominative?

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Byzantine Majority textform - Maurice Robinson

This was reported on another list recently.

Maurice Robinson arrived at ETS in Valley Forge with some just-off-the-press copies of the new bound edition of his and (the late) William G. Pierpont's THE NEW TESTAMENT IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK - BYZANTINE TEXTFORM 2005. ISBN-10: 0-7598-0077-4. ISBN-13: 978-0-7598-0077-9. List price $17.95. This has the M-P Majority Text, with all NA-27 variants in a lower apparatus, and Byzantine variants in the side margin. That's all it has ...
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Learning koine Greek

I was curious as to what those of you who have learned or are learning koine greek think about how it has helped you understand the Bible. Has it helped considerably, some, or very little? Has it been worth the effort? Would you do it again?

I am about to start taking some Bible classes with an emphasis on theology and am trying to decide if it would be helpful to learn the greek. I ...
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Translation, translation ! (Lamentations 5:13)

The author laments about humiliated Jerusalem, listing various facts. In 5:13, the New American Standard Bible reads :

"Young men worked at the grinding mill, And youths stumbled under loads of wood."

The meaning is perfectly clear, the sentence referring to some kind of hard labour.

Yet the Latin Vulgate says something completely different (at least in the first part of the verse) :

Adolescentibus impudice abusi sunt, et pueri in ligno corruerunt. "They shamelessly ...
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Flash Card Tools for NT Greek

Here's a good tool for NT Greek study. This entire file can be saved and kept on a local drive.


This comes from the "Greek Tutor" software which was produced by parsons technology. This is the underlying software for Ted Hildebrandts system.


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Translation Theory

There are a number of translation theories and one way is not neccessarily right when contexts are considered. When producing a translation for broad use and study many people believe that there is essentially one theory which is acceptable (incidentally I believe that formal equivanlence is THE translation theory 8) ).

This does not take into account all the different uses of translation. Translation can be a ...
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Start your engines: Mounce A Group schedule


Look at that link for more information.

I'm sorry for being so quiet. My net access could be shy for a bit longer

Let the questions begin. I'll post this to the list too, but I thought I'd put one here first.

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Nestle UBS correspond

I'm trying to examine textual differences from the 23rd and 26th editions. These are the respective texts underlying the NASB and the NASB95. I have a 26th edition and don't have the 23rd. I do however have a UBS second edition and a Nestle 16th. Does the UBS second edition corrrespond to any particular Nestle text the way the UBS 4 and the Nestle 27th correspond?

Is there an online copy of the 23rd edition? ...
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I have the BBG text book and workbook...but my text book isn't the newest edition. Will that matter for the study group? I know sometimes they make updates with newer editions and I purchased mine in 2002.

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