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An Advent Mystery

Reading Luke for the first time, I was surprised to read the Greek for Luke 2:14.

Δόξα ἐν ὑψίστοις Θεῷ καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς εἰρήνη ἐν ἀνθρώποις εὐδοκίας.

I read this as something like: "...and upon Earth peace among men of goodwill." The εὐδοκίας reading is Wescott and Hort. Another variant in nearly as many manuscripts is εὐδοκία. The variant would be something like: "...and upon Earth peace among men goodwill."

This second is closer ...
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A Thanksgiving Day Treat

Heb 11:13: κατὰ πίστιν ἀπέθανον οὗτοι πάντες, μὴ λαβόντες τὰς ἐπαγγελίας, ἀλλὰ πόρρωθεν αὐτὰς ἰδόντες καὶ πεισθέντες καὶ ἀσπασάμενοι, καὶ ὁμολογήσαντες ὅτι ξένοι καὶ παρεπίδημοί εἰσιν ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς:

Heb 11:13: And they all died in faith, and received not the promises: but saw them afar off, and believed them, and saluted them: and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

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Conrad on the subjective/objective genitive

This discussion has been going on for years and years. It might be traced back as far as the late 90s when the grammar by D. Wallace of DTS was being adopted as a text book in many seminaries in north america. Wallace's treatment of the case system and particularly the genitive case had become a topic of discussion.

a more recent thread 2013:

the entire thread of 65 posts can be found here: ...
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sry to ask about lexicon again. my Ancient-Greek journey is just about to begin, and I think lexicons would be my nearest companion, along with grammars.
does anyone here have experience using BADG 2nd ed vs BDAG the 3rd?
how does the update effect their use to define the early apostolic father? (the edition I already have so far is both volume of Bart Ehrman Loeb)
does the 3rd edition cover more words or definitions ...
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Basics of Biblical Greek Workbook

I have the workbook for Mounce's grammar (2nd edition) in almost new condition. I'm giving it away. If anyone wants it send me a PM and we'll work out the shipping.
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Mark 1:4 and John 1:6

Mark 1:4 ἐγένετο Ἰωάννης βαπτίζων ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ καὶ κηρύσσων βάπτισμα μετανοίας εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.

John 1:6 Ἐγένετο ἄνθρωπος, ἀπεσταλμένος παρὰ θεοῦ, ὄνομα αὐτῷ Ἰωάννης·

1.4 βαπτίζων ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ καί {C}
In view of the predominant usage in the Synoptic Gospels of referring to John as "the Baptist" (ὁ βαπτιστής occurs in Mk 6.25 and 8.28, as well as seven times in Matthew and three times in Luke), it is easier to ...
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two substantives with one article joined by KAI

This question came to me this morning. It's a very old crux in Eph. 4:11.

Eph. 2:20 ἐποικοδομηθέντες ἐπὶ τῷ θεμελίῳ τῶν ἀποστόλων καὶ προφητῶν, ὄντος ἀκρογωνιαίου αὐτοῦ Χριστοῦ Ἰησοῦ,

Eph. 4:11 Καὶ αὐτὸς ἔδωκεν τοὺς μὲν ἀποστόλους, τοὺς δὲ προφήτας, τοὺς δὲ εὐαγγελιστάς, τοὺς δὲ ποιμένας καὶ διδασκάλους,

Compare Wuest with Smyth, Robertson and Cooper. They are not saying the same thing.

Kenneth Samuel Wuest, the former Teacher Emeritus of New Testament ...
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1Timothy 2:12 - Phil Payne and the function of "oude"

Hello everyone,

we have discussed this before, but since Phil Payne published a new paper I thought that some of you may find this to be interesting:

http://www.pbpayne.com/wp-content/uploa ... -final.pdf

He is still trying to prove that "oude" joins two infinitives to convey a single idea. What do you think?

I think it is rather strange, you cannot redefine a word simply because it could be translated differently in ...
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A Reader

Bradley H. McLean, Hellenistic and Biblical Greek: A Graduated Reader (2014).
I’ve only seen a review of it (http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2015/2015-08-22.html), but it sounds good. The same author’s introduction to NT Greek I thought was awful (though probably no worse than others), but I don't think that shouldn’t put anyone off the Reader. It seems to give a good range of readings (largely but not wholly biblical or bible-related), organized by ...
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