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John 1:16

John 1:16 wrote:Καὶ ἐκ τοῦ πληρώματος αὐτοῦ ἡμεῖς πάντες ἐλάβομεν, καὶ χάριν ἀντὶ χάριτος.

Hi guys,

I have 2 questions here regarding this passage. 1 is regarding punctuation and the other is regarding χάριν ἀντὶ χάριτος.

Concerning punctuation, in most translations, the last part of this verse seems to be awkwardly tacked on to the end of the sentence "We have received, and grace for grace". Would it be better to remove the comma and translate ...
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Converting a noun into an adjective ?

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος


The anarthrous θεὸς at John 1:1c is a noun, not an adjective. So it can either be used as an identity (definite sense) or as a categorization (indefinite sense) of the thing / individual to which it is applied, but not with a purely qualitative semantic function, such as Trinitarians do at John 1:1c. If that were ...
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1 John 1:7 Textual Variant

I have a question about a minor variant that I've come across in some of the work Im doing. Is there much of a difference here between the Indicative and the subjunctive?

Dr. Pickerings F35 text:
1 John 1:6 wrote:ἐὰν εἴπωμεν ὅτι κοινωνίαν ἔχομεν μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐν τῷ σκότει περιπατοῦμεν


Most published Green NT (all I've checked NA, RP, WH, TR, Most of the uncials):
1 John 1:6 wrote:6 ἐὰν εἴπωμεν ὅτι κοινωνίαν ἔχομεν μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ ...
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Predicate Adjectives

I am studying the love chapter - 1st Corinthians 13. In verses 4 - 8, I have read that, in English grammar most(not all), of the words used to talk about love are predicate adjectives. But Paul, in the Greek, uses verbs. In other words, Paul doesn't tell what love is, but what love does.

My question is this: what is the difference between a predicate adjective and a regular adjective? I know that an ...
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1 John Reading Group (Aug. - Oct.)

This first post may be edited a couple times in the next couple days.

Welcome--this is a 1 John reading group that anyone is invited to participate in. I am hoping beginning readers can make use of this thread (now or in the future). Please treat novice questions with patience, and feel free to indulge in more advanced discussion. There are workbooks available for students who are partially through a textbook, so very introductory questions ...
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Omitting verbs in Greek sentences

If the verb of a Greek phrase is omitted, does it necessarily mean that it is the verb εἰμί? E.g., in some Creeds or in some works by Fathers of the Church sometimes we can see expressions like this: πιστεύομεν εἰς τὸ Πνεύμα τὸ Ἅγιον ὃ ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ or something of this kind. So should we necessarily conclude that according to that text, τὸ Πνεύμα ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ ...
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comprehension check with 2 Cor 4:5

Example from Croy. Only ἑαυτοὺς is glossed as "ourselves", all other vocab and forms are known.

οὐ γὰρ ἑαυτοὺς κηρύσσομεν ἀλλὰ Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν κύριον, ἑαυτοὺς δὲ δούλους ὑμῶν διὰ Ἰησοῦν. (2 Cor 4:5)

KJV: "For we preach not ourselves, but Jesus Christ the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake."

I understood the Greek as:
"Not ourselves are we preaching, but Jesus Christ the Lord; and ourselves your servants for the ...
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Principal Parts of Verbs from Croy

Anyone using Croy will find that, when future and aorist tenses are introduced, stems are usually given only for the most common verbs. A number of verbs seen in Croy do not have their principal parts explicitly given, even in Croy's glossary. I think this is a huge flaw in the book, since memorization of principal parts is encouraged in every textbook. Anyone wanting to learn the stems systematically when new forms are introduced will ...
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Anyone for Wilson&Vlachos 1st John Workbook starting 8/1/14

Wilson and Vlachos 1st John Workbook:
http://www.bakerpublishinggroup.com/books/a-workbook-for-new-testament-greek/335130
used: http://www.amazon.com/Workbook-New-Testament-Greek-Exegesis/dp/0801048125
It is meant for the beginning student, and is suggested for use by students midway through an introductory course, or to be used at an accelerated rate in the final weeks of an introductory course.
"The assignments assume the student has already progressed through lesson 15 of Machen's grammar, lesson 28 of Wenham's grammar, or chapter 23 of Mounce's grammar." ...
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Assistance with Croy Lesson 11

Practice and review question #3; there is no context for the demonstrative or pronoun. Either my translation is incorrect, or I have a question on the practice sentence:

ταῦτα ἐγράφοντο ἐν τῷ βιβλίῳ τοῦ νόμου, ὑμεῖς δὲ οὐκ ἐδύνασθε βλέπειν αὐτά.
My translation: These were being written into the book of the law, but you were (pl.) were not able to see them.

If my translation is correct, isn't it more common to see neuter ...
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