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Introducing myself, and Homer Iliad, Book 1, lines 189-192

Hi there, I wonder if anyone can explain to me the sense of the present optative "enarizoi" which has its own clause within the historic sequence of deliberative indirect questions, lines 189-192. Is this clause potential perhaps? Is it just a change of aspect? My ponderings come up with no means to express the different tenses here. Best wishes to everybody from Yorkshire!
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πάρος + present tense

Hello everybody, could any one explain me why is the present tense used here?

καὶ λίην σε πάρος γ' οὐτ' εἴρομαι οὔτε μετάλλῶ,
ἀλλὰ μάλ' εὔκηλος τὰ φράζεαι, ἅσσ' ἐθέλῃσθα
(Iliad I. 553)

I understand that she says that she have never before (πάρος) neither ask nor inquire him, but he (always?) does what he wants to. If this is correct, why is not some past tense used instead of εἴρομαι/μετάλλῶ? Pharr has not made ...
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Iliad II, 73-75

Agamemnon speaking to his council:

πρῶτα δ᾽ ἐγὼν ἔπεσιν πειρήσομαι, ἣ θέμις ἐστί,
καὶ φεύγειν σὺν νηυσὶ πολυκλήϊσι κελεύσω:
ὑμεῖς δ᾽ ἄλλοθεν ἄλλος ἐρητύειν ἐπέεσσιν.

Quite a remarkable plan, to put it lightly. Is this a kind of trope or is this Homer depicting Agamemnon as a not very intelligent leader? Nestors' respons a few lines further on seems to point to the second possibility. He is uncharacteristically brief and blunt and says something like: ...
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Iliad,1, 137

I could wait no longer and jumped in. Especially the commentary by Karl Ameis is very helpful so far.
I have however a question about the following verse:

εἰ δέ κε μὴ δώωσιν ἐγὼ δέ κεν αὐτὸς ἕλωμαι

ἕλωμαι must be a subjunctive used instead of the future indicative; conjunctivus futuralis it is called in my Dutch grammar of Homeric Greek. But I'm not sure about δώωσιν: is it also a conjunctivus futuralis (sorry, I'm ...
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Hagel's Song of Demodokos

I spent a while today listening to Stefan Hagel's great Homer performance reconstruction. Hagel introduces an extra introductory verse at the beginning and I can't get the exact words, and that has bothered me a long time already. He begins with words ἄρχεο Μοῦσα and there's something like ἀθανάτοισι later on. Has anyone else got the rest?
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Homeric prepositions/preverbs

Some of you might be interested in this discussion of the development in the Indo-European languages, including English, of those little words in Homer such as ὲπὶ that function as preverbs or adverbs or prepositions (I'm thinking of you, Paul, even though you're not Indo-European).

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Help with some irregular forms of the Iliad

I am doing this exercise that Pharr's book recommends: to take each word of the Iliad as it appears in the text, locate the form, and give the meaning of the word according to the model found in the vocabulary.
I encountered this exercise very enlightening for many words, but I have stuck with the following contracted words:

δέχθαι, δέξασθαι, 23
κλυθί, κλύε, 37
δαμᾷ, δαμάσει, 61
ἐρείομεν, ἐρέομεν, 62
(The first column is the ...
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Anki flashcards for Homeric Greek (S&H course)

Does any one use Anki (http://ankisrs.net/) or any spaced repetition flashcard software?

I leave here my flashcards to Schoder & Horrigan (A Reading Course in Homeric Greek, Book 1). I didn't tagged the words with the number of the lessons, because I were adding them as I were going forward in the book, but you could tag them basing on the indexes of words per lesson at the end ...
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My answers to Schoder & Horrigan course, Lesson 113

Index of lessons

Lesson 112

Odyssey passage exercise:

#424 ἥδε δέ μοι κατὰ θυμὸν ἀρίστη φαίνετο βουλή·
#425 ἄρσενες οἴιες ἦσαν ἐϋτρεφέες, δασύμαλλοι,
#426 καλοί τε μεγάλοι τε, ἰοδνεφὲς εἶρος ἔχοντες·
#427 τοὺς ἀκέων συνέεργον ἐϋστρεφέεσσι λύγοισιν,
#428 τῇς ἔπι Κύκλωψ εὗδε πέλωρ, ἀθεμίστια εἰδώς,
#429 σύντρεις αἰνύμενος· ὁ μὲν ἐν μέσῳ ἄνδρα φέρεσκε,
#430 τὼ δ᾽ ἑτέρω ἑκάτερθεν ἴτην σώοντες ἑταίρους.

Scanned verses:

#424 η̄δε̆ δε̆ | μοῑ κᾰτᾰ | θῡμο̆ν ᾰ|ρῑστη̄ | φαῑνε̆το̆ ...
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My answers to Schoder & Horrigan course, Lesson 111

Index of lessons

Lesson 111

Odyssey passage exercise:

#415 Κύκλωψ δὲ στενάχων τε καὶ ὠδίνων ὀδύνῃσι
#416 χερσὶ ψηλαφόων ἀπὸ μὲν λίθον εἷλε θυράων,
#417 αὐτὸς δ᾽ εἰνὶ θύρῃσι καθέζετο χεῖρε πετάσσας,
#418 εἴ τινά που μετ᾽ ὄεσσι λάβοι στείχοντα θύραζε·
#419 οὕτω γάρ πού μ᾽ ἤλπετ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ νήπιον εἶναι.
#420 αὐτὰρ ἐγὼ βούλευον, ὅπως ὄχ᾽ ἄριστα γένοιτο,
#421 εἴ τιν᾽ ἑταίροισιν θανάτου λύσιν ἠδ᾽ ἐμοὶ αὐτῷ
#422 εὑροίμην· πάντας δὲ δόλους καὶ μῆτιν ...
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