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Question about Book 1, Line 20 of the Iliad

Pharr (and T.D. Seymour) give line 20 as:

παῖδα δ' ἐμοὶ λῦσαί τε φίλην, τά τ' ἄποινα δέχεσθαι

Other editions, however (such as the Loeb Classics version translated by Murray and Wyatt, as well as Homeri Opera, Vol. 1 translated by Munro and Allen) give line 20 as:

παῖδα δ᾽ ἐμοὶ λύσαιτε φίλην, τὰ δ᾽ ἄποινα δέχεσθαι,

My question is about what to make of "λῦσαί τε" as compared to "λύσαιτε".

On the one hand, ...
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Sleeping beneath the portico

In the Odyssey, Telemachos, both as a guest of Nestor and Menelaos, sleeps beneath a portico, so basically outside. (Book 3-399 , Book 4-297, ὑπ‘ αἰθούσῃ)

This struck me as odd and a bit inhospitable, but Middle Liddell states that this is the 'sleeping place of travellers'. Does anyone have more references to this portico sleeping?
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Od. 9.290, not for the faint-hearted

Odyssey 9.289-290, the most charming passage in Homer... (The Cyclops eating Odysseus' men)

σὺν δὲ δύω μάρψας ὥς τε σκύλακας ποτὶ γαίῃ
κόπτ': ἐκ δ' ἐγκέφαλος χαμάδις ῥέε, δεῦε δὲ γαῖαν.

κόπτ' is imperfect (i.e. not an aorist) - should we interprete this as a repetitive action, "he hammered them against the ground like puppies"? The translations I looked seem to interprete this as single strike, but wouldn't that rather take an aorist? 'Hammered' is ...
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new Cunliffe Edition..

So, has anybody used this? how is it?
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Is there a dictionary that gives syllable lengths

Hi all,

I am a new poster and am glad I found this site. I have been studying Pharr for the last two months. As part of my Homeric reading, I have been trying to read the text out loud and get a feel for the meter of the poem. There are times when i do struggle in determining whether a syllable is long or short. Is there a dictionary that includes the lengths. I ...
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Iliad with Attic Parallel Text

Unless I dreamed about it, I think I saw on Google Books an edition of the Iliad with parallel Attic text. Does anyone know? Thanks!
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Lexicon of the Homeric Dialect Online

Browsing over on the TLG site this am and was happily surprised to find that Cunliffe's Lexicon is also online there along with the LSJ.

Here is a link: http://www.tlg.uci.edu/cunliffe/#eid=1&context=lsj
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Greek Hexameter Analysis

Nifty online program that analyzes greek hexameter verse can be found here:
http://www.thesaurus.flf.vu.lt/eiledara/
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Odyssey - Book II - Use of imperfect

In the first 4 lines of book 2 of the Odyssey I see the use of imperfect and aorist, where I would only expect the use of the aorist:

ἦμος δ᾽ ἠριγένεια φάνη ῥοδοδάκτυλος Ἠώς,

ὤρνυτ᾽ ἄρ᾽ ἐξ εὐνῆφιν Ὀδυσσῆος φίλος υἱὸς

εἵματα ἑσσάμενος, περὶ δὲ ξίφος ὀξὺ θέτ᾽ ὤμῳ,

ποσσὶ δ᾽ ὑπὸ λιπαροῖσιν ἐδήσατο καλὰ πέδιλα,

ὤρνυτ᾽ is an imperfect , θέτ and ἐδήσατο are aorists. The aorists I can rationalise, the imperfect not ...
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Difficulty of Homer?

While I was at university, I studied Koine as part of my Theology degree and can trot through most of the New Testament now without too much vocab-checking. I've been investigating Homeric on and off with Pharr for the past six months without getting more than my feet wet, but as have some more time as the Scottish winter approaches (no light, no heat) I'm going take a proper look. Something that I read again ...
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