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Nagy's "crystallization" model

A continuation from the ταρ thread. Joel said:
As far as ideological opposition between Nagy and West, I've never read an article by Nagy that I didn't find impressive. Perhaps West deserves the regard that he holds on this forum, but what I've read of him so far (mostly his books on music, and a few articles on Homer) hasn't demonstrated genius to me yet. But by all means, I would love to be corrected ...
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Apollo Mouse-slayer

After being kind enough to listen to the first 100 lines of the Iliad, my wife asked me about Σμινθεῦ in line 39. She said "it didn't sound Greek." I told her that it was a name for Apollo, but I didn't know any more about it. After checking the LSJ, it appears that Σμινθεῦ is not etymologically Greek. It may come from the Mysian word σμίνθος or mouse (but may instead derive from the ...
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Iliad 12, 3-8

οὐδ᾽ ἄρ᾽ ἔμελλε
τάφρος ἔτι σχήσειν Δαναῶν καὶ τεῖχος ὕπερθεν
εὐρύ, τὸ ποιήσαντο νεῶν ὕπερ, ἀμφὶ δὲ τάφρον
ἤλασαν: οὐδὲ θεοῖσι δόσαν κλειτὰς ἑκατόμβας:
ὄφρά σφιν νῆάς τε θοὰς καὶ ληΐδα πολλὴν
ἐντὸς ἔχον ῥύοιτο

It's the last part of this sentence that makes me wonder: so that it (=the wall) might protect (ῥύοιτο) the swift ships and the great booty within (ἐντὸς). But what is ἔχον doing here?
According to Perseus and the Attikos ...
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Iliad 11, Nestors' speech

I'm returning to the Iliad after an interval of nearly 6 months (real life, new born son, sleepless nights, busy job: all feeble excuses, I know) and what joy it is to be reading Homer again. I see that my comrade in arms Huilen has finished the Odyssey in the mean time: congratulations to him!

Okay, book 11, Nestors' speech. An interesting bit of oratory and highly effective since it suggests to Patroclus the scheme ...
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Death of Patroclus

I would like to ask you all to share your thoughts regarding what the necessity is for the determination of Zeus that Patroclus shall be slain.
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Gentlemen, deep from within the manuscript vaults of the British Library, I present you with the Φληάδος.

Μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ ταφιηϊάδεω κάμβροιο οὐλομένην, ἥ μύρια φληοῖς ἄλγε' ἔθηκε Πολλὰς τὲ στουτὰς ψυχὰς ἀΐδι προΐαψεν...

It goes on through book Σ.
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An English Basler Gesamtkommentar

Good news for those who don’t read German. It looks like at least part of the Basler Gesamtkommentar (BK) of Homer's Iliad is going to be published in English this year.
Here is a link to the pre-order page at Amazon of the English translation of the Prolegomena:


And of the Book 3 commentary:

I assume the price will come down on the Book 3 commentary sometime before it is actually published. ...
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For those interested in this word, which Cal Watkins rehabilitated and persuaded West to adopt, there's a nice paper by Josh Katz at
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Helmut van Thiel's Ilias

I received my copy of van Thiel in the mail today, and have been having great fun looking through it. It's going to take me some time to read through the introduction, as my German is not good. On his website is a copy of the D-scholia, (and somewhere a version of the Iliad without accents, according to the introduction, but I was not able to find it).

However, I was sad to see this ...
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Odyssey, Book 15, 16, 17 and 18

Hello everybody, I hope you can help me with these questions that I've being accumulating on my notes. Thanks for the help, as always.

    Book 15

  1. εὗρε δὲ Τηλέμαχον καὶ Νέστορος ἀγλαὸν υἱὸν
    5. εὕδοντ᾽ ἐν προδόμῳ Μενελάου κυδαλίμοιο,
    ἦ τοι Νεστορίδην μαλακῷ δεδμημένον ὕπνῳ:

    Merry says:

    There is an apparent contradiction: ‘she found both sleeping... but
    Telemachus was not sleeping.’ It may remind us of the famous
    contradiction about Zeus, between Il.1. ...
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