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Help needed for Hesiod-transcription (Latin)


I am again in need of your help in a matter of Greek/Latin. I am currently preparing (or rather finishing) a transcription of a translation of Hesiod's "Carmina" (Theogonia, Scutum Herculis, Opera et Dies). I have a single question concerning line 431 in Hesiod's Scutum Herculis:

The original (link to scanned page at Google-Books) says:
Hunc quidem dein reliquit Jovis ærumnosus filius:
ipse autem homicidam Martem accedentem observans,
sævum videns oculis, ut leo ...
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Ancient Laconian Doric Alphabet


I am looking for a table with all Laconian Doric alphabet letters and an english equivalent to every letter. The laconian I am referring to is the ancient Greek Doric Laconia spoken in Sparta.

All I was able to find are essays on the topic but nothing clear enough to get a clear idea. Does anybody know how to spell Sparta in Laconian Doric ? that would help too

All help is greatly appreciated. ...
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Parsing Od. VI.256-7 : nominative subject of an infinitive?

I'm wondering about the following:

255 "Ὄρσεο δὴ, νῦν, ξεῖνε, πόλινδ' ἴμεν, ὄφρα σε πέμψω
256 πατρὸς ἐμοῦ πρὸς δῶμα δαΐφρονος, ἔνθα σέ φημι
257 πάντων Φαιήκων εἰδησέμεν ὅσσοι ἄριστοι

I am having a bit of trouble understanding why ὅσσοι ἄριστοι is in the nominative, because it looks like the object of φημι is the whole infinitival phrase in line 257, and then σε in 256 is the object of εἰδησέμεν.

Does my question make ...
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West's edition of the Odyssey

Happily surprised to learn that Martin West's edition is scheduled for release later this year:


The amazon description is incorrect. A more accurate description here:

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Poll: Iliad 1.5 οἰωνοῖσί τε δαῖτα or οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι?

What reading do you prefer in Iliad 1.5?

You can explain your reasons for your choice if you want in responses to this post, but don't feel obliged to do so.

You can also change your vote.

When this poll runs out of steam, we will continue to select variant readings one by one by poll, until we have a complete Iliad text. Then we move on to the Odyssey, and from there, Aeschylus' Agamemnon.

Iliad 1:5 & 1:20

This is from the beginning of the Iliad. On the fifth verse we have
οἰωνοῖσί τε πᾶσι, Διὸς δ'ἐτελείετο βουλή
Or do we? Should it be instead
οἰωνοῖσί τε δαῖτα, Διὸς δ'ἐτελείετο βουλή?
In the Teubner (also in Loeb) West chooses πᾶσι, an opinion which must naturally not be taken lightly. However, a chiasmus is very enticing: ἑλώρια τεῦχε κύνεσσιν / οἰωνοῖσι τε δαῖτα. Besides 'dinner' sounds more forceful and graphic than 'to all kinds ...
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Do I understand Caesura?

Here I am simply breaking on the third foot every time.

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a grammar question about verb arguments in Od. IV

Antinous is asking Noemon whether the latter lent his ship to Telemachus under threat of violence or willingly:

"καί μοι τοῦτ᾽ ἀγόρευσον ἐτήτυμον, ὄφρ᾽ ἐὺ εἰδῶ,
σε βίῃ ἀέκοντος ἀπηύρα νῆα μέλαιναν,
ἦε ἑκών οἱ δῶκας, ἐπεὶ προσπτύξατο μύθῳ." (δ.645-647)

I understand that ἀπ-αυράω can take a double accusative, and at first seems to here, since σε is accusative and so is νῆα μέλαιναν. What I don't understand is how ἀέκοντος can be genitive, ...
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Please HELP! Ilias, Odyssea et al.

Valete omnes!

PLEASE HELP! To make myself more clear:


I know, I know, I already posted most of these questions in another thread, but I didn't get any answer. However, I really need your assistance. I am creating public domain versions of Latin translations of "Homer"'s works for Project Gutenberg. I have transcribed and proofread the Latin text of:

- Ilias
- Odyssea
- Ranarum et Murium Pugna ...
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Homeric Hymn X (to Aphrodite), meter

After working on it for months, I think I figured out the meter to the tenth Homeric hymn, dedicated to Aphrodite. Ultimately I want to craft a workable melody so that I can sing the song myself, so this is the first step. I’d love to get some input from people familiar with Homeric meter, because this is my first attempt.

A vertical bar | indicates the beginning/end of a foot, parentheses () indicate synezis ...
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