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homeric formulas

hi guys,<br /><br />does anyone know where i could get a simple list of homeric formulas (grouped by length and case, eg masculine caesura to end: nominative; masculine caesura to end: genitive; &c &c).<br /><br />I saw a few random tables throughout Milman Parry's papers a few months ago in the Uni of Sydney library, but that book is never in anymore, and I don't have a library card there... Books in my uni's library ...
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te in line 13 of the Iliad

te occurs twice in line 13 of the Iliad but I can't translate them in a meaningfull way.<br />If there is no connection between the two, the second one may simply mean -and-;and bringing countless ransom.<br />And, also, both...and etc. does not make a whole lot of sence here. What is the meaning?
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illum

Parragraph 90, note 11. of Pharr has; to/n= (illum)<br />Pardon my ignorance but I have no idea what illum means and I failed to find it in the dictionary. Can someone tell me?
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Pharr para. 88 lines 2-3

I have a few questions.<br /><br /><br />-line 2;Xru/shj ga\r a)rhth\r e(khbo/lou e)/rxetai e)pi\ qoa\j nh=aj )Axaiw=n, fe/rei d' a)pereisi' a)/poina qugatro/j, h(\n )Atrei/dhj e)/xei e)n stratw=|<br />I think that means something like:"For Chryses the priest if the Free-Shooter comes on speedy boats of the Achaeans and he brings countless ransoms for his daughter, whom the the son of Atreus holds in the encampment".<br />Assuming my translation is correct, I have 2 questions about this. ...
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Iliad line 6

e)c ou(= dh\ ta\ prw=ta diasth/thn er)isante<br />I understand the general meaning of this line but I don't understand the force of dh\.<br />If I translate this word, it does not seem to add anything to the meaning but it just makes the English more awkward.<br />Can someone help me out please?<br />Thanks in advance.
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Pharr paragraph 48 line 9

I am not sure of the correct translation of o)/x' a)/ristoi e)n )Ili/w| ta\ ei)=pon Pria/mw|, a)lla\ tou\j h)ti/masen.<br />-By far the bravest in Ilium told these things(? ta\)to Priam, but he dishonored them-.<br /><br />If there was a narative in which this was told, this sentence may make sence but on its own I am not sure enough of myself to consider this correct. Can someone comment please? Thank you.
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Accents in Homer

I am about to start working my way through Pharr's -Homeric Greek-.<br />I read an article that strongly suggested to read Homer using the accents the way they were meant to be used, ie; pitch, not stress.<br />If this is the general opinion of the brains of this forum, is there a way (possibly a website) for me to know how much to rise and fall and how long to hold long and short vowels?<br ...
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Homeric Greek: A Book for Beginners (Pharr)

Is anyone familiar with this book willing to offer me an opinion of how good of a teaching tool it is? I'm trying to teach myself Greek (I have a strong Latin background) and want to make sure there isn't a better book. Any recommendations or comments would be helpful.<br /><br /><br />Thanks,<br />Noah
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Homer in English Hexametres

This passage is from a new book (2002), the first of its kind to be published in over one hundred years! The book is called "A Guide to Latin Meter and Verse Composition", by David J Califf. On one page of this little gem of a book is the following:<br /><br /><br />The dactylic rhythm is rather difficult to achieve in English, which more readily lends itself to the iamb, but there have been some ...
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