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Iliad 3:391-396

I have a couple questions about this passage:<br /><br />(Caution: Spoilers for those who may want to read the Iliad and not know what happens in advance)<br /><br />The context: Aphrodite has just snatched Paris out of his one on one battle with Meneleaus where he was getting creamed. She drops him in his bedroom and goes to Helen and summons her to come to him and also says..<br /><br />392   .... ou)de/ ke fai/hs   <br />393      a)ndri\ ...
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Iliad 1:63

The second half of Iliad 1:63 reads kai\ ga/r t' o)/nar e(k Dio/j e)stin,<br />- for also a dream is from Zeus,-<br />I don't understand why there is a KAI and a TE in this line.<br />It is hard to translate both words. Something like this may be possible - for even a dream is from Zeus too,-<br />Is this more or less the force of these two words in this line?<br />Thank you.<br />Bert.
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Advice on Reading Homer?

What is the most efficient way to learn to read Homer fluently given a decent knowledge of greek grammar, a lexicon, a grammar, and the Loeb text(& translation) of the Iliad?<br /><br /><br />My goal is to read the entire Iliad. I went through Pharr's book, and now I'm tackling chapter 2 on my own with the LSJ lexicon and the side by side Loeb text. (I'm at line 389) At first, I started writing ...
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Iliad:54

th|= deka/th| d' a)gorh/nde kale/ssato lao\n )Axilleu/j<br />In the footnotes it says that kale/ssato is causative.<br />In section 1069 of Pharr it says concerning verbs with a causative sense;... the subject causes something to be done by another.<br />I don't see how the verb in question fits this description.<br />Achilles is doing the summoning. (Unless he is a commander and has someone doing the calling for him, but that can't be deduced from the context ...
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Pharr 150 line 5

qea\ leukw/lenoj (/Hrh e)pi\ fresi\n e)/qhke th\n boulh\n )Axilh=i <br />I translate this line something like; The white-armed goddess Hera put this plan in Achilles' heart.<br /><br />(Is 'white-armed' a complimentary sort of adjective?)<br /><br />My question is, why is fresi\n Plural? <br /><br />Thanks.<br />Bert.
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Iliad, Book 1: Line 577,578 ?

577: mhtri d egw parafhmi, kai auth| per noeoush|,<br />578:patri filw| epi hra ferein Dii,..<br /><br />(Sorry about the accents, I could not get them to display correctly)<br /><br />Here's my translation but I'm sure it is wrong.<br /><br />577: mother I advise you, greatly considering understanding herself,<br />578: to bear the beloved father Zeus upon kindness...<br /><br />You can probably tell from my translation where I'm confused; heck I don't even know what my ...
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odyssey 1.18

oud enqa pefugmenoj hen aeqlwn<br /><br />the translation says this is "not even there was he free from toils"<br /><br />I don't get it. :)<br /><br /><br /><br />pefugmenoj is "having fled", is it not?<br /><br />hm... maybe it is starting to make sense. <br />is it something to the effect of "not even there had he fled his troubles"?<br /><br />then glossed to "not even there ...
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Pharr p. 26

Hello, I'm new to the forum. I'm Going through Pharr on lesson 6 and I have run into several sentences using the accusative form for indirect objects which I thought should be dative. Here are two, numbers 1 and 6, but several of the sentences have this.<br /><br />1. a)glaa\ a)/poina fe/rousin )Acaioi\ ei\j strato\n.<br /><br />I'm wanting to translate this as "The Achaeans bear glorious ransoms through the encampment" but the strato\n is clearly ...
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Homeric Reading Group?

William Harris of Middlebury College told me that Textkit.com / aoidoi.com were in the process of forming a Homeric Reading Group. How is this coming along?
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Pharr section 143 - 6

I'm having a bit of trouble with this line.<br />o( qeo\j e)fiei\j e)xepeuke/a be/lea au)toi=sin ( )Axaioi=sin) e)/ballen<br />Without e)fiei\j this sentence would mean; The god was shooting sharp arrows at them (the Achaeans).<br />I am not sure what to do with e)fiei\j. The vocabulary section of the book says that it is a participle. It would have to be an aorist passive ( what happened to the theta?) The glosses given for e)fi/hmi are ...
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