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Phaeacian dance

I'm wondering about the Phaeacian duo dance with a ball at 8.372 ff., especially ποτὶ χθονὶ πουλυβοτείρῃ at 378. All in all, Garvie's commentary gives a good overview, but I have a hard time figuring out a few points.

The dancers first take turn in bending themselves backwards (ἰδνωθεὶς ὀπίσω) and then throwing the ball high in the air, with the other dancer always catching the ball by jumping. (But I wonder if ἰδνωθεὶς ὀπίσω ...
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Iliad, commentaries

in a different thread Paul Derouda wrote:

the new German Homer commentaries ("Gesamtkommentar") are only on the Iliad, none on the Odyssey. And I would not call them just updates of the old Ameis-Hentze-Cauer (although that's what the authors themselves call them) but new works entirely.

And are they good?
Actually, I'm looking around for resources for a second reading of (parts of) the Iliad. So far I've come up with:

-Basler Gesamtkommentar, so far ...
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Is word accent relevant?

Pharr, at item 68, says "The written word-accent must be disregarded in reading the verse."

If so, why do we bother learning word accents? Would it make sense, when learning vocabulary, to memorize words as though the accents fall on the long vowels? That would be more helpful for correct reading, and also aid in remembering omicron vs omega and epsilon vs eta.

Or am I missing something?
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Semonides (1)

Hello guys!

I had troubles with the following iambic pentameters, could you help me with the scanning?

μενουσιν ελθειν, οι δ' ετεων περιτροπας.
I think that I have problems with the fourth foot.

πεμπει μελαινης Αιδης υπο χθονος.
Should I assume that there is a dieresis on Αιδης? Then I would have:

And I would appreciate if you give me some help with these other two verses which I couldn't make sense ...
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Why do some editors not write allative -δε as a suffix?

I'm reading through the Iliad, and Perseus (along with several other sources I've found) consistently has it as a separate word from the noun, e.g. what is πεδίονδε 'onto the plain' in Il. VI.393 (Munro & Allen) is given as πεδίον δέ in Perseus.

When you click this δέ in Perseus, it refers you to the postpositive 'but' word (as in, μέν and δέ), which it is decidedly not.

This separate writing is also found ...
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Od. 5.90

Calypso to Hermes, ε 87 ff.:
τίπτε μοι, Ἑρμεία χρυσόρραπι, εἰλήλουθας,
αἰδοῖός τε φίλος τε; πάρος γε μὲν οὔ τι θαμίζεις.
αὔδα ὅ τι φρονέεις· τελέσαι δέ με θυμὸς ἄνωγεν,
εἰ δύναμαι τελέσαι γε καὶ εἰ τετελεσμένον ἐστίν.

Hainsworth, the Oxford commentary to the Odyssey:
τετελεσμένον: a nuance of meaning must be added to the pf. ptcp. similar to that conveyed by the adjectival formant -τός: "something that must come to pass".

Other commentaries interpret ...
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Odyssey 3, 70: ξείνους, οἱ τινές εἰσιν, ἐπεὶ τάρπησαν ἐδωδῆς.

I don't think I saw the form τάρπησαν before, or maybe I did, but simply forgot. Anyway, it made me check the verb τέρπω and I found the quite bewildering number of forms this verb can take in the aorist, both medium or passive:


Better still, they seem to have all the same meaning. Even by Homer's standards ...
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Odyssey 2, 42-46

οὔτε τινʼ ἀγγελίην στρατοῦ ἔκλυον ἐρχομένοιο,
ἥν χʼ ὑμῖν σάφα εἴπω, ὅτε πρότερός γε πυθοίμην,
οὔτε τι δήμιον ἄλλο πιφαύσκομαι οὐδʼ ἀγορεύω,
ἀλλʼ ἐμὸν αὐτοῦ χρεῖος, ὅ μοι κακὰ ἔμπεσεν οἴκῳ

Telemachus is making his maiden speech in the assembly. What struck me was 'ἀλλʼ ἐμὸν αὐτοῦ χρεῖος'. αὑτοῦ surely refers to Telemachus, so we have something like: No, my own need etctera. But isn't it unusual for αὑτός to refer to the 1st ...
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translation: Il. 2.288

Hello everybody! I'm new here, and was just referred to Textkit as I've recently taken on reading the Iliad. I've sort of hit a snag in book 2 ... it's frustrating because the general sense is pretty straightforward, but I don't like to gloss over even little things when I don't fully get the grammar (as I'm sure many of you can understand!).

286 οὐδέ τοι ἐκτελέουσιν ὑπόσχεσιν ἥν περ ὑπέσταν
287 ἐνθάδ᾽ ἔτι στείχοντες ...
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Iliad 22 (spoiler alert!)

I’ve just finished book 22 and…. Hector is dead! He’s really dead. I knew of course this would happen, knew it long before I began to read the Iliad, and even so, reading book 22 was heartbreaking. Most of all perhaps the last desperate attempt by Priamus and Hecabe to persuade him to retreat inside the safety of walls. It’s a very long time since I was thus blown away by a story, War & ...
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