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Would someone be so kind to check the following English to Greek translation exercises? Thank you.

1. The gods who have Olympian homes will grant to the sons of Atreus and the other well-greaved Achaeans to sack utterly the city of Priam.

qeoi\ e)/xontej )Olu/mpia dw/mata didw/sousin )Atrei+/dh|j kai\ a)/lloisin e)u+knhmi/dessin )Axaioi=sin e)kpe/rsai po/lin Pria/moio.

2. When they sacked the city of Priam, they returned happily home.

e)kpe/rsantej po/lin Pria/moio, i(/konto eu)= oi)/kade.

3.They ...

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It's Saturday night and i am studying Greek. Now that is cool!

In line 19.4 of the Iliad, Pharr (and Benner) have e)u/ instead of eu)=. P.A. Draper and greekgeek.org have the latter.

Which one is it?

If it's the former, do I scan it as two short syllables?

Thanking in advance (the usual suspect, of course :D ),

~PeterD

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Lesson 16, E-G, #6:

The two sons of Atreus, marshallers of the people(s), are entreating Priam, but he will slight them.

)Atrei/+da kosmh/tore law=n li/ssesqon Pri/amon, tou\j d' a)tima/sei.

I am not sure about the second clause.

Thank you (William :) ),

~PeterD

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I am not sure if I have scanned the following verse -- line 1.9 -- correctly:



Lhtou=j kai\ Dio\j ui(o/j. o( ga\r basilh=i xolwqei\j

- - | - u u | - u u | - u u | - u u | - -

I am doubtful about the third foot because of the pause in the verse.

Thanks,

~PeterD

Hi,

It appears that the Homeric board has been a tad quiet of late. Time to rouse it up!

In Lesson 15, trans. (G-E), #3, we have the following clause:

to\n ga\r basileu\j )Atrei/dhj e)xo/lwsen (for the king, son of Atreus, enraged him)

Does not the verb in the clause take a dative object? If so, should it not be tw|= instead of to/n?

Thank you,

~PeterD

P.S. How is the diaeresis represented in SPIonic?

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jeff

I hope this is not too barbaric a question, but -- Mr. Pharr says that the different kinds of accents probably indicated changes in pitch but just how is not known. There then follows rule after rule for transformation of accents from one kind to the next.

I am inclined to ignore these and just worry about which syllables get stresses. This may be wrong from a philosophical standpoint, but as my goal is to ...

Hello again to all,

I'm at a mid-point in Pharr where I'm digesting subjunctives and optatives. My question is as follows: How best to translate each? Pharr's explanation (one desrcribes the will of the spealer, the other describes the wish) is not helping me with my translations, particularly when I match up my translations against Murray (revised).

Regards and much thanks in advance.

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This is a terrific forum.

I've been reading the Pharr book "Homeric Greek A book for Beginners" and I want to register my advice to beginners: I don't believe this is truly a book for beginners.

Like all other Greek instruction books I've read (with the possible exception of the Paul Jones "Learn Greek" book), the Pharr book is written in the style of turn-of-the-century British schoolmaster-ese. Example: Lesson 1 (yes, the very ...

Would it be fair to say that Homeric 'perfects' are in fact present statives?