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Odyssey, Book 4

Hi everybody,

I come with less questions, proportionally, than the other times, but you won't note it, because the fourth Book is much larger :P

20. τὼ δ᾽ αὖτ᾽ ἐν προθύροισι δόμων αὐτώ τε καὶ ἵππω,
21. Τηλέμαχός θ᾽ ἥρως καὶ Νέστορος ἀγλαὸς υἱός,

A) Which does αὖτε mean here? They have just arrived at Menelaus for the first time, so "again/back" doesn't make sense. Is there ...
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Concordance interpolations

I thought I would get something off my chest that I've been wanting to write about since Paul Derouda raised the issue towards the end of this discussion:

http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=61591

Verses that are repeated in two or more places--but not in all manuscripts--are assumed to be "concordance interpolations" and rejected as spurious by many specialists: at some point, the theory runs, they found their way into some of the manuscripts in the places where they are ...
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Bibliography about the Homeric text

I just want to get the big picture, the main questions and positions, about how the text was written and transmitted. Would you recommend to me some bibliography? I have those books in mind, but I don't know if they are accessible for novice:

Homer's Text and Language (Traditions) by Gregory Nagy
http://www.amazon.com/Homers-Text-Langu ... 486&sr=8-1

Homeric Questions by Gregory Nagy
http://www.amazon.com/Homeric-Questions ... 536&sr=8-5 ...
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Odyssey, Book 3

Hope you don't get tired of my questions :) I'm very excited with the Odyssey.

10. οἱ δ᾽ ἰθὺς κατάγοντο ἰδ᾽ ἱστία νηὸς ἐίσης
11. στεῖλαν ἀείραντες, τὴν δ᾽ ὥρμισαν, ἐκ δ᾽ ἔβαν αὐτοί


A) I'm not sure if I'm taking this in the right way, but could be this a common combination of the imperfect with the aorist? First appears an imperfect which refers to an ...
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Odyssey, Book 2

Hello everybody, here are my questions on Book 2, hope not repeated.

1. ἦμος δ᾽ ἠριγένεια φάνη ῥοδοδάκτυλος Ἠώς,
2. ὤρνυτ᾽ ἄρ᾽ ἐξ εὐνῆφιν Ὀδυσσῆος φίλος υἱὸς
3. εἵματα ἑσσάμενος, περὶ δὲ ξίφος ὀξὺ θέτ᾽ ὤμῳ,
4. ποσσὶ δ᾽ ὑπὸ λιπαροῖσιν ἐδήσατο καλὰ πέδιλα,
5. βῆ δ᾽ ἴμεν ἐκ θαλάμοιο θεῷ ἐναλίγκιος ἄντην.


a) I would expect that εἵματα ἑσσάμενος should join with περὶ δὲ ξίφος ὀξὺ θέτ᾽ ὤμῳ, and not with ὤρνυτ᾽. Because it ...
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Reading the Homeric poems (and other Greek hexameter poetry)

Having responded to many of huilen's queries about verb-forms in Odyssey 1, I thought it might be helpful to provide a brief explanation of why there are so many apparently irregular verbs in Homeric verse, and how to go about dealing with them as you read the poems.

Most of us are aware that the Homeric poems represent the end-product of a long tradition of hexameter poetry that was oral and composed in performance without ...
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Odyssey, Book 1

I have read Book 1 this week. At last I have opted for Merry (thanks, Paul :)), which I must say I have found very useful, specially the short Homeric grammar that is appended at the end of the book. I am glad because I have solved most of my morphological questions, better understood the many uses of the participles, and felt that, finally, the imperfect vs ...
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Rough breathing

I have this doubt for a long time: how should I pronunce the rough breathing when it is before a word that is elided?
νῦν δ' ἁθρόα πάντ' ἀπέτεισε
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Odyssey 7.204-206

εἰ δ᾽ ἄρα τις καὶ μοῦνος ἰὼν ξύμβληται ὁδίτης,
οὔ τι κατακρύπτουσιν, ἐπεί σφισιν ἐγγύθεν εἰμέν,
ὥς περ Κύκλωπές τε καὶ ἄγρια φῦλα Γιγάντων.

Is ξύμβληται = ξυμβάλληται? It would be sense the subjunctive in this construction, but I can't explain the change in the stem. Is this a syncope? I thought that this kind of transformation applied only for other systems, I don't recall having seen any case like that in the present system, ...
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Od. 7 123-126

ἔνθα δέ οἱ πολύκαρπος ἀλωὴ ἐρρίζωται,
τῆς ἕτερον μὲν θειλόπεδον λευρῷ ἐνὶ χώρῳ
τέρσεται ἠελίῳ, ἑτέρας δ᾽ ἄρα τε τρυγόωσιν,
ἄλλας δὲ τραπέουσι


If τρυγόωσιν/τραπέουσι are finite, where is their subject?

Could they be participles in the dative case? Ηere is my interpretation:

"There is a fruitful garden planted, one part of which, a sunny spot on level ground, becomes dry by the sun, while others are for gatherers and others for treaders."


But I ...
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