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How to translate the inchoative imperfect

I have noted that all the translations of Homer that I have checked always translate the inchoative imperfect as if it were an aorist. Here is an example from Od. 7.1-5:

ὧς ὁ μὲν ἔνθ᾽ ἠρᾶτο πολύτλας δῖος Ὀδυσσεύς,
κούρην δὲ προτὶ ἄστυ φέρεν μένος ἡμιόνοιιν.
ἡ δ᾽ ὅτε δὴ οὗ πατρὸς ἀγακλυτὰ δώμαθ᾽ ἵκανε,
στῆσεν ἄρ᾽ ἐν προθύροισι, κασίγνητοι δέ μιν ἀμφὶς
5ἵσταντ᾽ ἀθανάτοις ἐναλίγκιοι, οἵ ῥ᾽ ὑπ᾽ ἀπήνης
ἡμιόνους ἔλυον ἐσθῆτά τε ἔσφερον ...
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Odyssey 12. 440-442

ἦμος δ᾽ ἐπὶ δόρπον ἀνὴρ ἀγορῆθεν ἀνέστη
κρίνων νείκεα πολλὰ δικαζομένων αἰζηῶν,
τῆμος δὴ τά γε δοῦρα Χαρύβδιος ἐξεφαάνθη.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... rc1:12.426

I don't understand the meaning of these verses. Odysseus was talking about how he survived Charybdis, and suddenly he throw out those obscure words... :S

I am not sure about the syntax neither: is it a general construction? Then, why is the verb of the conditional clause ...
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Iliad 4, 158-159

Agamemnon speaking right after his brother Menelaos is hit by a Trojan arrow, effectively ending the truce

οὐ μέν πως ἅλιον πέλει ὅρκιον αἷμά τε ἀρνῶν
σπονδαί τ᾽ ἄκρητοι καὶ δεξιαὶ ᾗς ἐπέπιθμεν.

ἐπέπιθμεν = pluperfect, agreed? To be sure I have this right: the pluperfect denotes a fixed state in the past. The fixed state here is the trust the Greeks put in (or the obedience to) the oaths and treaties, and it is ...
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Best "scholarly" edition of the Iliad

Van Thiel's edition has relatively large margins. It has also the advantage that the whole Iliad fits in one volume. Also, some "heretics" still think it's the most reliable scholarly edition at present. (But for a scholarly edition, I would personnally recommend West)

OK, Paul, I take that as a direct and personal slap in the face. Choose your weapon.

West's testimonia (quotations from ancient authors that what how the text read in antiquity) and ...
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Where do you write your notes?

At the moment I use a sturdy notebook. However, as my notes grow less numerous it would be nice to just scribble them in the sideline. I have this vision of one day being able to (re)read Homer in my comfy chair or sitting in the sun. Having just one book with text + notes would be more handy in that case than using a seperate notebook (not to mention the wide array of books ...
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Editions of the Odyssey

Which editions of the Odyssey would you recommend? What do you think about this one of Oxford (that is free)? https://archive.org/stream/homersodysseyed00homegoog
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Odyssey 12, 73-172

Hey! :D I have moved on with Book 12, here are some doubts that I have been accumulating (sorry for the chunk, I will group them where possible).


Many times I see that the direct object of a transitive verb is someway understood. In English this would be ungrammatical. Is Greek more lax in this sense?

τῆς ἦ τοι φωνὴ μὲν ὅση σκύλακος νεογιλῆς
γίγνεται, ...
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Double layer of fat

Il 1.458:
αὐτὰρ ἐπεί ῥ’ εὔξαντο καὶ οὐλοχύτας προβάλοντο,
αὐέρυσαν μὲν πρῶτα καὶ ἔσφαξαν καὶ ἔδειραν,
μηρούς τ’ ἐξέταμον κατά τε κνίσῃ ἐκάλυψαν
δίπτυχα ποιήσαντες, ἐπ’ αὐτῶν δ’ ὠμοθέτησαν·
καῖε δ’ ἐπὶ σχίζῃς ὁ γέρων, ἐπὶ δ’ αἴθοπα οἶνον
λεῖβε· νέοι δὲ παρ’ αὐτὸν ἔχον πεμπώβολα χερσίν.

What does it mean, concretely, "making it a double layer"? I mean, I have often wondered this while sacrifying a hecatomb, whether I've been doing it all wrong... ...
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Odyssey 12. 73

I am stuck with this verse:
73. οἱ δὲ δύω σκόπελοι ὁ μὲν οὐρανὸν εὐρὺν ἱκάνει

Circe is describing to Odysseus the second way to his homeland. The first she described at 59. Here is the context and the structure of the antithesis marked by the correlation μέν...δέ:

56. ἔνθα τοι οὐκέτ᾽ ἔπειτα διηνεκέως ἀγορεύσω,
57. ὁπποτέρη δή τοι ὁδὸς ἔσσεται, ἀλλὰ καὶ αὐτὸς
58. θυμῷ βουλεύειν: ἐρέω δέ τοι ἀμφοτέρωθεν.
59. ἔνθεν μὲν γὰρ ...
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Odyssey 12. 55-72

Hello everybody, thanks for all your help with Book 6 of the Odyssey, I have finished it and started yesterday with Book 12 :) Here I leave some doubts that I have.


τῇ δ᾽ οὔ πώ τις νηῦς φύγεν ἀνδρῶν, ἥ τις ἵκηται,
ἀλλά θ᾽ ὁμοῦ πίνακάς τε νεῶν καὶ σώματα φωτῶν
κύμαθ᾽ ἁλὸς φορέουσι πυρός τ᾽ ὀλοοῖο θύελλαι.

I don't understand why is ἱκνέομαι in ...
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