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Iliad 7, 97-98

ἦ μὲν δὴ λώβη τάδε γ᾽ ἔσσεται αἰνόθεν αἰνῶς
εἰ μή τις Δαναῶν νῦν Ἕκτορος ἀντίος εἶσιν.

I don't think I have seen this construction before: future indicative in the apodosis and present indicative in the protasis (with μή). It's almost a future most vivid construction (a rare occurence, I remember from Mastronarde), but then you would expect the future indicative in both protasis and apodosis.
Is it because of εἶσιν having a future connotation ...
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Odyssey, Book 5

By the way, Mark Edward's book (Homer, Poet of the Iliad) has just arrived! I've just started to read, but I got very excited with the introduction. The author gives at the very beginning a list of the typical contemporary preconceptions that should not be applied for this kind of orally composed poetry (most of which I've already been warned here by all you, once and again, with your infinite patience ...
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Reading book VI

Right at the beginning of book VI are these lines:

Ἄξυλον δ᾽ ἄρ᾽ ἔπεφνε βοὴν ἀγαθὸς Διομήδης
Τευθρανίδην, ὃς ἔναιεν ἐϋκτιμένῃ ἐν Ἀρίσβῃ
ἀφνειὸς βιότοιο, φίλος δ᾽ ἦν ἀνθρώποισι.
πάντας γὰρ φιλέεσκεν ὁδῷ ἔπι οἰκία ναίων.
ἀλλά οἱ οὔ τις τῶν γε τότ᾽ ἤρκεσε λυγρὸν ὄλεθρον
πρόσθεν ὑπαντιάσας, ἀλλ᾽ ἄμφω θυμὸν ἀπηύρα
αὐτὸν καὶ θεράποντα Καλήσιον, ὅς ῥα τόθ᾽ ἵππων
ἔσκεν ὑφηνίοχος: τὼ δ᾽ ἄμφω γαῖαν ἐδύτην.

I like the obituaries in the Iliad and ...
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Pharr 4th ed.

I have a list of corrigenda for the new edition of Pharr. Feel free to contact me for a copy.

Paula Debnar
Professor of Classics
Mount Holyoke College
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Diomedes' aristeia

I took up reading the Iliad again after a period of one and a half month (real life intervened, no time for Homer alas). I'm closing down on book V. I read about the bracketing of book X, with one of the arguments being that there is little connection between what is described in that book and the rest of the epic. But as far as I can see now, the same could more or ...
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Odyssey, Book 4

Hi everybody,

I come with less questions, proportionally, than the other times, but you won't note it, because the fourth Book is much larger :P

20. τὼ δ᾽ αὖτ᾽ ἐν προθύροισι δόμων αὐτώ τε καὶ ἵππω,
21. Τηλέμαχός θ᾽ ἥρως καὶ Νέστορος ἀγλαὸς υἱός,

A) Which does αὖτε mean here? They have just arrived at Menelaus for the first time, so "again/back" doesn't make sense. Is there ...
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Concordance interpolations

I thought I would get something off my chest that I've been wanting to write about since Paul Derouda raised the issue towards the end of this discussion:

http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=61591

Verses that are repeated in two or more places--but not in all manuscripts--are assumed to be "concordance interpolations" and rejected as spurious by many specialists: at some point, the theory runs, they found their way into some of the manuscripts in the places where they are ...
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Bibliography about the Homeric text

I just want to get the big picture, the main questions and positions, about how the text was written and transmitted. Would you recommend to me some bibliography? I have those books in mind, but I don't know if they are accessible for novice:

Homer's Text and Language (Traditions) by Gregory Nagy
http://www.amazon.com/Homers-Text-Langu ... 486&sr=8-1

Homeric Questions by Gregory Nagy
http://www.amazon.com/Homeric-Questions ... 536&sr=8-5 ...
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Odyssey, Book 3

Hope you don't get tired of my questions :) I'm very excited with the Odyssey.

10. οἱ δ᾽ ἰθὺς κατάγοντο ἰδ᾽ ἱστία νηὸς ἐίσης
11. στεῖλαν ἀείραντες, τὴν δ᾽ ὥρμισαν, ἐκ δ᾽ ἔβαν αὐτοί


A) I'm not sure if I'm taking this in the right way, but could be this a common combination of the imperfect with the aorist? First appears an imperfect which refers to an ...
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Odyssey, Book 2

Hello everybody, here are my questions on Book 2, hope not repeated.

1. ἦμος δ᾽ ἠριγένεια φάνη ῥοδοδάκτυλος Ἠώς,
2. ὤρνυτ᾽ ἄρ᾽ ἐξ εὐνῆφιν Ὀδυσσῆος φίλος υἱὸς
3. εἵματα ἑσσάμενος, περὶ δὲ ξίφος ὀξὺ θέτ᾽ ὤμῳ,
4. ποσσὶ δ᾽ ὑπὸ λιπαροῖσιν ἐδήσατο καλὰ πέδιλα,
5. βῆ δ᾽ ἴμεν ἐκ θαλάμοιο θεῷ ἐναλίγκιος ἄντην.


a) I would expect that εἵματα ἑσσάμενος should join with περὶ δὲ ξίφος ὀξὺ θέτ᾽ ὤμῳ, and not with ὤρνυτ᾽. Because it ...
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