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Odyssey, Book 13

    184. ὣς ἔφαθ᾽, οἱ δ᾽ ἔδεισαν, ἑτοιμάσσαντο δὲ ταύρους.
    185. ὣς οἱ μέν ῥ᾽ εὔχοντο Ποσειδάωνι ἄνακτι
    186. δήμου Φαιήκων ἡγήτορες ἠδὲ μέδοντες,
    187. ἑσταότες περὶ βωμόν. ὁ δ᾽ ἔγρετο δῖος Ὀδυσσεὺς
    188. εὕδων ἐν γαίῃ πατρωΐῃ, οὐδέ μιν ἔγνω,


    But what happened with the good Phaenicians? Answer me!

    Oh, this is so unfair, and I'm sure the poet knows that: note the
    contrast at ὣς οἱ μέν...ὁ δ᾽, while the Phaenicians are in ...
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Odyssey, Books 11 and 12




  1. 25. βόθρον ὄρυξ᾽ ὅσσον τε πυγούσιον ἔνθα καὶ ἔνθα


    How should I read the last expression? Would you say that it is as
    accompanied by some gesture indicating the size of the hole?


  2. 134. πᾶσι μάλ᾽ ἑξείης. θάνατος δέ τοι ἐξ ἁλὸς αὐτῷ
    135. ἀβληχρὸς μάλα τοῖος ἐλεύσεται, ὅς κέ σε πέφνῃ


    Though the sense of the passage as a whole is clear (i.e. he will die
    of old), I'm not ...
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Hectors last wish

Dear forum members, first of all i would like to apologize in advance for my english. I am not a native speaker but i try to manage! I have a question About the part in the illiad which contains the last wish of hector: μὴ μὰν ἀσπουδί γε καὶ ἀκλειῶς ἀπολοίμην,
ἀλλὰ μέγα ῥέξας τι καὶ ἐσσομένοισι πυθέσθαι. Is the spelling correct? how do you feel About the punctuation? And what is the translation? Thanks ...
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Response to Paul D. from the Demosthenes thread

Paul D. wrote the following in the thread on Demosthenes' De Corona:

The gap between the preserved text and the speech as actually delivered is a interesting question. Isn't it similar in many respects to the question of how the Homeric epics were written down? (Personally, I don't believe that the Homeric epics are somehow magically different from all the other ancient texts, just because they were "oral". As if everything weren't more or less ...
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Transformation to direct speech needed!

Hello,
can someone please help me to transform the blue verse below into direct speech?
It was Alexander's favourite verse from the Ilias.
It means: "to be brave, and to take the lead in the ranks of the foremost"

Here you can find it: XI, 784 (or VI, 208)

Πηλεὺς μὲν ᾧ παιδὶ γέρων ἐπέτελλ᾽ Ἀχιλῆϊ
αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν καὶ ὑπείροχον ἔμμεναι ἄλλων:

The result should be: Be brave, and take the lead in the ranks ...
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Odyssey, Book 10

Hello everybody, thanks for your help, as always. Here are my
questions with Book 10. I'm still waiting West's commentary from
Amazon :( I hope it arrives to Argentina before Odysseus arrives to
Ithaca, for I've just ordered the second volume. Still then, that is
not the end, but there are usually a lot of difficulties awaiting to
the at the post office. I'm reading with Merry's ...
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Odyssey, Book 8 and 9

Book 8


  1. 192. λᾶος ὑπὸ ῥιπῆς: ὁ δ᾽ ὑπέρπτατο σήματα πάντων
    193. ῥίμφα θέων ἀπὸ χειρός. ἔθηκε δὲ τέρματ᾽ Ἀθήνη
    194. ἀνδρὶ δέμας ἐικυῖα, ἔπος τ᾽ ἔφατ᾽ ἔκ τ᾽ ὀνόμαζεν:


    Does it mean that Athena cheated the game?

  2. 214. πάντα γὰρ οὐ κακός εἰμι, μετ᾽ ἀνδράσιν ὅσσοι ἄεθλοι:


    I would expect πάντας instead of πάντα, because ἄεθλοι is
    masculine.

  3. 225. οἵ ῥα καὶ ἀθανάτοισιν ἐρίζεσκον περὶ τόξων.


    Why is ...
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Iliad 9, 225-227

The Greek envoys are in Achilles' tent. After being treated to some nice meat roasted and cut by the big guy himself, Odysseus begins his speech thus:

χαῖρ᾽ Ἀχιλεῦ: δαιτὸς μὲν ἐΐσης οὐκ ἐπιδευεῖς
ἠμὲν ἐνὶ κλισίῃ Ἀγαμέμνονος Ἀτρεΐδαο
ἠδὲ καὶ ἐνθάδε νῦν,

I think that ειμέν should be understood with ἐπιδευεῖς. So, we have something like: we are not lacking an equal feast, nor in the tent of Agamemnon, nor here and now.
So, ...
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Formulaic doublets

I've just found this paper: K. O'Nolan, Doublets in the Odyssey, which I've encountered in Cambridge G&L commentary by accident, but it reminded me that discussion about μῦθος καὶ ἔπος of the other day.

This is what I understood: according to the author, formulaic doublets (i.e: words that are essentially synonyms but that are used together in the same formula) are essentially the same kind of formulae that are noun-epithets formulae. Noun-epithets are tautological, when ...
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Odyssey, Book 6 and 7

Hello!

I've been reading Odyssey's books 6 and 7 with Cambridge Greek and Latin commentary. I had already read both books, but reading them again with this commentary was very useful, on one hand because there I've encountered many interesting discussions for most of the questions that I had, and on the other, many of the discussions got that I started to pay attention to some poetic effects, metrical issues and certain arrangment of words ...
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