Textkit Logo

It is currently Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:53 am

News News of Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry

Site map of Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry » Forum : Homeric Greek and Early Greek Poetry

Are you reading Homeric Greek? Whether you are a total beginner or an advanced Homerist, here you can meet kindred spirits. Beside Homer, use this board for all things early Greek poetry.

Callinus fr. 1 & 5

μέχρις τέο κατάκεισθε; κότ’ ἄλκιμον ἕξετε θυμόν, 1
ὦ νέοι; οὐδ’ αἰδεῖσθ’ ἀμφιπερικτίονας 2
ὧδε λίην μεθιέντες; ἐν εἰρήνηι δὲ δοκεῖτε 3
ἧσθαι, ἀτὰρ πόλεμος γαῖαν ἅπασαν ἔχει 4


Until when/what do you sit? When will you have strong spirits, young men? Don't you feel shame before those dwelling round about, being so lackadaisical? Do you think that you sit in peace? But war grasps all the land.

......... (5)
καί τις ἀποθνήσκων ὕστατ’ ἀκοντισάτω. ...
Read more : Callinus fr. 1 & 5 | Views : 102 | Replies : 3


Mimnermus Fr. 2

ἡμεῖς δ’, οἷά τε φύλλα φύει πολυάνθεμος ὥρη 1
ἔαρος, ὅτ’ αἶψ’ αὐγῆις αὔξεται ἠελίου, 2
τοῖς ἴκελοι πήχυιον ἐπὶ χρόνον ἄνθεσιν ἥβης 3
τερπόμεθα,


But we, like the leaves the much-blossoming season of spring grows, when they grow in a spurt with rays of the sun, like to these we enjoy for a span of time the blossoms of youth,

. πρὸς θεῶν εἰδότες οὔτε κακὸν 4
οὔτ’ ἀγαθόν· Κῆρες δὲ παρεστήκασι μέλαιναι, (5) ...
Read more : Mimnermus Fr. 2 | Views : 238 | Replies : 8


Hesiod Works and Days 191-2

οὐδέ τις εὐόρκου χάρις ἔσσεται οὐδὲ δικαίου
οὐδ' ἀγαθοῦ, μᾶλλον δὲ κακῶν ῥεκτῆρα καὶ ὕβριν
ἀνέρα τιμήσουσι·
δίκη δ' ἐν χερσί· καὶ αἰδὼς
οὐκ ἔσται, βλάψει δ' ὁ κακὸς τὸν ἀρείονα φῶτα
μύθοισι σκολιοῖς ἐνέπων, ἐπὶ δ' ὅρκον ὀμεῖται.

. . . it is rather the doer of evil and the outrage
man
that they will honour


Wonderful lines. Do they say what they seem to say? This is a striking juxtaposition.
Read more : Hesiod Works and Days 191-2 | Views : 342 | Replies : 16


Tyrtaeus Fr. 9

οὔτ’ ἂν μνησαίμην οὔτ’ ἐν λόγωι ἄνδρα τιθείην
οὔτε ποδῶν ἀρετῆς οὔτε παλαιμοσύνης,


Neither would I remember nor speak of a man who is either an excellent racer or wrestler,

I thought that he might be talking about writing praise poetry (like Pindar), and "memorialize" & "set down in speech" might be better. But having read through 10-12 (so far), it may be that the setting is a general talking about who he wants in ...
Read more : Tyrtaeus Fr. 9 | Views : 969 | Replies : 16


Oxford Book of Greek Verse 97, Tyrtaeus

Oxford Book of Greek Verse 97. "How can Man die better?" Tyrtaeus (fl. 685-668 B.C.)

I'll translate the first part of this poem in this first post, to the best of my ability, and continue on with the rest in separate posts to this thread. No special reason, except that I wanted to spend more time with poetry, and the Oxford Book of Greek Verse is a nice place to find random good pieces. I'm ...
Read more : Oxford Book of Greek Verse 97, Tyrtaeus | Views : 1128 | Replies : 14


Can θεὸς be feminine?

I'm trying to understand this verse (Odyssey 10:136):

Κίρκη ἐϋπλόκαμος, δεινὴ θεὸς αὐδήεσσα

The translation I'm looking at says δεινὴ θεὸς αὐδήεσσα means "a clever goddess, possessing human speech". Another translation says, "dread goddess of human speech".

But how do they get that? Why is it θεὸς and not θεά?
Read more : Can θεὸς be feminine? | Views : 706 | Replies : 2


Toward a catalogue of ships in Linear B

I'm looking for feedback on a project to take Linear B beyond the material evidence. Before extending the exercise to include epitaphs and formulaic phrases I'm asking myself is this wasted effort? The premise is that if Linear B is Greek it can be extended to write poetry and history. All that's needed is more and better words.

https://www.academia.edu/37181223/Linear_B_-_Towards_a_Catalogue_of_Ships_in_an_excursion_beyond_the_evidence

I've just read Rob Wiseman's paper 'A Mycenaean Iliad' and am in awe of the exquisite ...
Read more : Toward a catalogue of ships in Linear B | Views : 714 | Replies : 0


bT sch. on E.166

Dear Homerists: I have a somewhat trifling question on another Iliadic scholion. As Diomedes works havoc among the Trojan ranks during his aristeia, Aeneas goes to find Pandarus (E.166ff.), now rather gloomy (esp. E.212-16) after realizing that he’s failed at the bow yet again. He initially responds to Aeneas with his lengthy, despondent speech about how he left his chariots at home. An exegetical sch. on Ε.166 reads:

(166a)   τὸν δ’ ἴδεν Αἰνείας: τὸ ὁμοειδές ...
Read more : bT sch. on E.166 | Views : 1132 | Replies : 7


Earliest text of the Odyssey?

https://www.culture.gr/el/Information/S ... x?nID=2302

Εύρεση πήλινης πλάκας στην περιοχή της Ολυμπίας, η οποία διασώζει 13 στίχους της ξ Ραψωδίας της Οδύσσειας

​Κατά την διεξαγωγή της επιφανειακής - γεωαρχαιολογικής έρευνας, στο πλαίσιο του τριετούς ερευνητικού προγράμματος με τίτλο «Ο πολυδιάστατος χώρος της Ολυμπίας», που πραγματοποιείται σε θέσεις γύρω από το ιερό υπό τη διεύθυνση της Δρ. Ερωφίλης-Ίριδας Κόλια, Προϊσταμένης της ΕΦΑ Ηλείας σε συνεργασία με τους καθηγητές Franziska Lang, Birgitta Eder, ...
Read more : Earliest text of the Odyssey? | Views : 1457 | Replies : 17


West's Making of the Odyssey Reviewed at BMCR

http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2018/2018-06-39.html

Barry P. Powell reviews West's making of the Odyssey and is highly critical of West's theories. But while I'm sympathetic with Powell's viewpoint, he hasn't really taken the time to provide detailed support for his argument. His suggestion of West's ignorance is laughable:

seems unaware that the Greek alphabet was a very odd form of writing unprecedented in its attention to phonetic accuracy, which can more plausibly ...
Read more : West's Making of the Odyssey Reviewed at BMCR | Views : 936 | Replies : 2


 

Login  •  Register


Statistics

Total posts 129885 • Total topics 16146 • Total members 4327