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Plato Apology 35e1

This sentence has been a bit tricky for me:

τὸ μὲν μὴ ἀγανακτεῖν, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, ἐπὶ τούτῳ τῷ γεγονότι, ὅτι μου κατεψηφίσασθε, ἄλλα τέ μοι πολλὰ συμβάλλεται, καὶ οὐκ ἀνέλπιστόν μοι γέγονεν τὸ γεγονὸς τοῦτο, ἀλλὰ πολὺ μᾶλλον θαυμάζω ἑκατέρων τῶν ψήφων τὸν γεγονότα ἀριθμόν.

I'm especially confused by the μὲν. I can't grasp the nuances of why it would appear in this context. Denniston unfortunately doesn't discuss this instance.
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Menander sentence

Hey, I'm trying to translate:
Ὠς οὐδὲν ἡ μάθησις, ἄν μὴ νοῦς παρῃ = Learning.... mind is missing. I just don't get how this sentence is structured: where is the subject and where is the object? what is the role of Ὠς οὐδὲν?

Another question - what is the genitive form of μάθησις ?
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Conversational Greek Via Skype

Would anyone here be interested in practicing spoken Attic Greek over a Skype conference call, on Sundays perhaps?
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Anabasis 1.9.16 singular becomes plural

εἴς γε μὴν δικαιοσύνην εἴ τις φανερὸς γένοιτο ἐπιδείκνυσθαι βουλόμενος, περὶ παντὸς ἐποιεῖτο τούτους πλουσιωτέρους ποιεῖν τῶν ἐκ τοῦ ἀδίκου φιλοκερδούντων.

τις is singular and I do see that that individual is representative of a number who are desiring to demonstrate justice but for me it seems quite random that Xenophon half way through the sentence switches to plural with τούτους

This is my translation:
As to what concerns justice if someone should become ...
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two new learners - ancient and koine

Hello all. My father and I have decided to start learning Greek together; we are both starting from scratch. His goal is to read the New Testament, my goal is Homer, Plato, etc. I have done some reading about ancient vs. attic vs. koine, but my question here is this: with koine being a kind of 'subset' of ancient/attic, it seems logical that we start with that to cover both of our goals. However, will ...
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2 Semesters of Intro Greek: Next Steps?

Hey all, this is my first post here. To briefly summarize my situation, I'm finishing up Greek 2 this semester via Luschnig's Intro Book (of which this will be the third mention in all of the textkit fora), but I'm graduating this semester. Although we're not supposed to finish the book in this semester (leaving the Subj/Opt and Sequence of Moods as well as Imperatives and Verbals for Greek 3) my prof said that he'd ...
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"Αλλως τε μεντοι" Plato Apology 35d1

Hi. I'm having some difficulty understanding the nuances of this combination of particles in this sentence of the Apology:

μὴ οὖν ἀξιοῦτέ με, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, τοιαῦτα δεῖν πρὸς ὑμᾶς πράττειν ἃ μήτε ἡγοῦμαι καλὰ εἶναι μήτε δίκαια μήτε ὅσια, ἄλλως τε μέντοι νὴ Δία πάντως καὶ ἀσεβείας φεύγοντα ὑπὸ Μελήτου τουτουΐ.

I've checked Denniston, who merely says that this usage is extremely rare. Any help would be appreciated!
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Asketes -askete, what does the latter mean

Hi! I hope it's not inappropriate to ask this but: we're starting a business that produces and sells art. Coming up with a name is always difficult. I decided to try ancient Greek words. I've really been a big fan of Greece since I read about the ancient mythology and visited Greece for the first time a few decades ago.

So, I typed "art" into one of the online dictionaries http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/definitionlookup?type=exact&q=art&target=greek. "Asketes" was one of ...
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xenophon's use of the historic present at start of anabasis

For quite some time the way Xenophon switches from present to past tenses seemed to me utterly random. There are some cases where his hands are tied. ἁθροίζονται has to be present because the mustering in the Kastolou plain presumably continued to the time that Xenophon was writing.

However, in the cases where he is free to choose he picks out, with the present, the key events that move the story forward.
Hence the two ...
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Plato's Phaedrus - 240d

I'm a little confused about the following sentence.

τῷ δὲ δὴ ἐρωμένῳ ποῖον παραμύθιον ἢ τίνας ἡδονὰς διδοὺς ποιήσει τὸν ἴσον χρόνον συνόντα μὴ οὐχὶ ἐπ᾽ ἔσχατον ἐλθεῖν ἀηδίας

What does "ποιήσει τὸν ἴσον χρόνον συνόντα μὴ οὐχὶ ἐπ᾽ ἔσχατον ἐλθεῖν ἀηδίας" mean? The "τὸν ἴσον χρόνον" is what really throws me off.

Almost done with all the inspired speeches. Really pushing the limit of my understanding of Greek. Woo hoo!
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