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Reading iambic trimeter

This is a response to Hylander's post in the τὸ λεγόμενον τοῦτ' ὅμοιον ἐστί νῦν thread.

Iambic trimeters consist of three iambic metra, which (without permissible resolution of _ to υ υ) consist of x _ υ _. Iambic trimeters shouldn't be analyzed as iambic "feet" (υ _), but rather as metra. That's why they're called iambic trimeters and not iambic hexameters. Dactylic hexameters, however, can be analyzed in terms of dactylic "feet."

Hylander, that ...
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τὸ λεγόμενον τοῦτ' ὅμοιον ἐστί νῦν·

On page 41 of Rouse's First Greek Course there is this.
τὸ λεγόμενον τοῦτ' ὅμοιον ἐστί νῦν· τἄνω κάτω, τὰ κάτω δ' ἄνω.

The best I can come up with is this (it is a stand alone sentence so there is no context to help).
This spoken thing is the same now; the things above are downwards and the things below above.

Monolingual Ancient Greek Lexicon from 16th century

Hey all,

Thanks to the great folks at Vivarium Novum, (indirectly thanks to Carolus Raeticus's thread which got a reply linking to their resource list", I have found a lexicon of Ancient Greek compiled by an Italian named Varino Favorino in the 16th century, with all definitions in the language, with nary even a trace of Katharevousa to be found (something which deflates my enthusiasm whenever I discover a new "monolingual" lexicon on the internet). ...
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ὃν οἱ θεοὶ φιλοῦσιν...

ὃν οἱ θεοὶ φιλοῦσιν, ἀποθνῄσκει νέος.

Is the meter incorrect for this famous quote? Why is there a broken anapest in the fourth foot? Shouldn't it be:

ὃν οἱ θεοὶ φιλοῦσ’ ἀποθνῄσκει νέος.

This puts a quasi-caesura at the end of the third foot and seems to fix the difficulty. However I must be missing something important because I can't find the second version anywhere.
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Didot's Greek Classics (with Latin translation)


in the 19th century Ambroise Didot edited a series of books containing Greek classics with a facing Latin translation. I am trying to hunt these down. I created a list of those I have found and put it on my web-site (Download-section, sub-section Various or direct link to the html-file).

Can anyone here point me to any of the missing books?


Carolus Raeticus
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Anabasis book 2

2.2.1. Ariaeus' men come to the Greek camp to negotiate.

Φαλῖνος μὲν δὴ ᾤχετο καὶ οἱ σὺν αὐτῷ. οἱ δὲ παρὰ Ἀριαίου ἧκον Προκλῆς καὶ Χειρίσοφος: Μένων δὲ αὐτοῦ ἔμενε παρὰ Ἀριαίῳ: οὗτοι δὲ ἔλεγον ὅτι πολλοὺς φαίη Ἀριαῖος εἶναι Πέρσας ἑαυτοῦ βελτίους, οὓς οὐκ ἂν ἀνασχέσθαι αὐτοῦ βασιλεύοντος: ἀλλ᾽ εἰ βούλεσθε συναπιέναι, ἥκειν ἤδη κελεύει τῆς νυκτός. εἰ δὲ μή, αὔριον πρῲ ἀπιέναι φησίν. ὁ δὲ Κλέαρχος εἶπεν: ἀλλ᾽ οὕτω χρὴ ποιεῖν: ἐὰν ...
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Accent Marks Help

I'm currently finishing up Latin and going to start reading the Wheelock Reader, but I want to start Ancient Greek because I want to study something similar to Latin. I've tried numerous books, though I do think I will use Mastronade's Attic Greek along with Athenaze. I'm having trouble with accents, I just can't grasp the concept and placement of these marks. Is anyone able to help? :| ...
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use of preposition ἐν

In the following sentence "Egiptians are people on the river Nile", which preposition would you use when translating it to Greek? (for some reason, in my book says it could be ἐν, but ἐν=in, so I think it may be wrong)... Another thing, how would you say "on the river Nile": 'river' and 'Nile' having the same case endings or?
Αἰγύπτιοι δῆμος ἐν τῷ ποταμῷ Νείλῳ εἰσίν. or ...ποταμῷ Νείλος εἰσίν.
Another 2 sentences... I'm ...
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Anabasis 1.2.21

τῇ δὲ ὑστεραίᾳ ἧκεν ἄγγελος λέγων ὅτι λελοιπὼς εἴη Συέννεσις τὰ ἄκρα, ἐπεὶ ᾔσθετο ὅτι τό τε Μένωνος στράτευμα ἤδη ἐν Κιλικίᾳ εἴη εἴσω τῶν ὀρέων, καὶ ὅτι τριήρεις ἤκουε περιπλεούσας ἀπ᾿ Ἰωνίας εἰς Κιλικίαν Τάμων ἔχοντα τὰς Λακεδαιμονίων καὶ αὐτοῦ Κύρου.

The Loeb translation and Goodwin take the bolded section as a single unit, and I understand that grammatically, but could αὐτοῦ Κύρου be a third object of ᾔσθετο? Cyrus' main army was in ...
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vowel length


I have a question about vowel length in Greek. An example is a word ἀεί ('always'), for which I found to have a long "a", ie /a:e'i/ in John Williams White's First Greek Book, but in others, eg on the page perseus, it doesn't say that α is long. Another example is verb θύω, which according to JWW's First Greek Book should be /thu:o:/, while perseus says its /thuo:/ (verb πράττω in JWW as ...
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