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Length of -οι

I'm reading Introduction to Attic Greek and Mastronarde says οι at the end of a word is short. Does he mean at the very end of the word or in the last syllable.

For example, In the word ψήφοις is οι long or short?

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Two new Sappho fragments

Everyone probably knew about this already--everyone but me, that is--but two new fragments of Sappho have been found in a papyrus and are going to be published. In the meantime, Dirk Obbink, the papyrologist who is publishing them, has posted a preliminary version of his paper online here:


Comments on his paper here:


A translation of one fragment here:


And some background here:

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Xenophon and the Ostriches

Here are two mp3 files. The first is a reading with Greek and English explanations. The other is a Greek-only reading of the section. It is from book 1.5 of Anabasis. Please pardon any errors. I only recently began serious study of Greek. For the English slip-ups, I have no excuse.


ἐντεῦθεν ἐξελαύνει διὰ τῆς Ἀραβίας τὸν Εὐφράτην ποταμὸν ἐν δεξιᾷ ἔχων σταθμοὺς ἐρήμους πέντε παρασάγγας τριάκοντα καὶ πέντε. ἐν τούτῳ δὲ τῷ ...
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L1 v L2 dictionaries plus value of images in Greek leaning

We got so far off the original theme of the topic that a new thread seemed best.
Markos wrote:
daivid wrote:What I have read about the use of monolingual dictionaries for modern languages suggests that the evidence for their value as very dubious. I imagine there must be some properly conducted research into their value. It would be a good idea to try and track it down.

This snippet would appear to support your point.

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Comenius in Greek


I stumbled upon this Comenius in Greek (with German parallel text).

Ὀνομαστικὸν περὶ τοῦ παντός

It seems to be different from the Janua Resereta Randy was working on. Does anyone know?
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Elision or hiatus?

Just read χαλεπὸν δὲ ἀφελεῖν … in Aristotle (1036b2sq). why is it not δ᾽ ἀφελεῖν?
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Declining Greek words in English text

Does anyone know of an older text where this is practiced? I mean an English text that utilizes this πρᾶξιν. Please tell me about the newest ones you know. Thanks.

I’d also be interested to know if any of you still do this; it seems to me to be the only really satisfying thing to do, even though finding out the cases governed by præpositions can be less than straightforward.
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Pronunciation critiques

Here are mp3 and m4a files of my reading the first page of Xenophon's Anabasis. Please let me know about any pronunciation issues that you notice.

I plan to begin recording all of the Anabasis so that I can play it back to myself and listen to improve my fluency.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B23NN- ... sp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B23NN- ... sp=sharing
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Thrasymachus by Peckett & Anthony

There are a lot of things wrong with this as a textbook. There is virtually no grammatical explanation merely tables of accidence. The "exercises", if you read the introduction, are not really exercises at all but tests to help a teacher using this book see how their class are getting on. Only were someone to do an answer key would they be of use to someone learning on their own.

However the readings are excellent. ...
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Regarding accentuation of compounds


Can anyone help me find the Smyth entry or equivalent for the rule concerning variations in the accentuation of compounds? I'm thinking of the difference in meaning between, for lack of a better example (or even an actual one, since LSJ hastens to correct me that in this case there is only one version), φιλολόγος and φιλόλογος, when one of those would mean lover of speech the other one who speaks about love.

Thanks ...
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