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Passage in Apology Plato

I have a question about passage 23d9 in Plato's apology, I am wondering why the "ἅτε οὖν οἶμαι" is followed by a nominative instead of an accusative. My understanding is that it translates literally as "Therefore seeing that I consider". I would expect the "φιλότιμοι ὄντες καὶ σφοδροὶ....." and what follows to be the direct object of "ἅτε οὖν οἶμαι". Is there a peculiarity about this "οἶμαι" verb that I do not know about?

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Learn to Read Greek

One of my colleagues wants to learn Greek and asked for my advice concerning textbooks. I used Mastronarde myself, but didn't really like it, though it's definitely a solid introduction. He's specifically interested in Attic (mainly philosophy), so I can't recommend Schroeder & Horrigan or Pharr.
So I have been looking around a bit and would like to know if someone has experience with Learn to Read Greek by Keller and Russel: ...
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Anachronism in pronunciation with accentuation?

We know that the accent marks were only added around 3rd century BC for foreign people to learn contemporary Greek better. But this means that the accent marks only reflect the accenting situation at around that time. So, they do not mark the accenting situation in, say, Aristotle's time or Homer's time.

Some of us use the "reconstructed classical pronunciation" for Classical and Epic/Homeric Greek, together with the foresaid accentuation system. The pronunciation is thought ...
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I'm restarting a group for Greek: An Intensive Course by Hansen and Quinn.

Anyone interested in joining? It's a difficult, fast-paced textbook. Great for a thorough review or a quick drive into more advanced Greek texts and grammatical structures.

If you've got time for an intensive study of Greek, please let me know. I can get a temporary electronic version of the text to you until you're able to get a copy for yourself. (My ...
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Third Chorus Soph. OT {Ant. 2.} 896-910

I was doing a little free-association contemplation re: Soph. OT 896-901. It sounds to me like a little bit of post-enlightenment scepticism, something vaguely like: if you can't demonstrate to me how the oracles prediction is fulfilled in a manner that everyman can verify by observation, I will give up participating in the worship … traveling to the temple, oracle whatever. Since academic criticism of Sophocles is foreign territory I looked for an article on ...
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τῶν τις

Herodotus 1.185.2:
πρῶτα μὲν τὸν Εὐφρήτην ποταμὸν ῥέοντα πρότερον ἰθύν, ὅς σφι διὰ τῆς πόλιος μέσης ῥέει, τοῦτον ἄνωθεν διώρυχας ὀρύξασα οὕτω δή τι ἐποίησε σκολιὸν ὥστε δὴ τρὶς ἐς τῶν τινα κωμέων τῶν ἐν τῇ Ἀσσυρίῃ ἀπικνέεται ῥέων.

What disturbs me is this sandwiching τις between the article and the noun, which I had already encountered before twice or thrice in Herodotus in τῶν τις Λυδών. I don't remember seeing this in Greek before. ...
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Butcher in Athens

Dear Fellows,

In latin we have the word lanii for butchers. In Greek, there`s no such a word. It seems to me that the Romans ate more flesh than the greek and so had to have a profession specialized in cutting the meat. This is because, i believe, the greeks of Athens conteted themselves with fish and the other ones didnt know how good bovine flesh is.

If, nevertheless, anyone can come with a fact ...
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What kind of texts are hardest?

To me:
Action in the real world is easiest.
Description is a little harder.
Abstract idea are far harder than both.

That Anabasis was traditionally the first text to be given to learners makes me think that I am not alone in this but some text books almost exclusively focus on the abstract so maybe people differ on this.

It goes with out saying, I assume, that long complicated sentences, obscure words and unusual declensions ...
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Sophocles scholia

Here’s the note on Ajax 1142ff. that I mentioned in the Ajax 1132 thread. It will come from a commentary, and looks as if it represents post-Aristotelian literary criticism.

τὰ τοιαῦτα σοφίσματα οὐκ οiκεῖα τραγωδίας· μετὰ γὰρ τὴν ἀναίρεσιν ἐπεκτεῖναι τὸ δρᾶμα θελήσας, ἐψυχρεύσατο, καὶ ἔλυσε τὸ τραγικὸν πάθος.
(https://play.google.com/books/reader?id ... =GBS.PA109, link courtesy of jeidsath.)

“Sophistic arguments like these are not proper for tragedy. By deciding to stretch ...
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First Greek Writer Exercises XVIII ->

Exercise XVIII

θηρευτὴς ἦν τούτῳ δὲ ἔθος ἦν πολλάκις διὰ τῆς ὕλης ἰέναι. ἐνταῦθα γὰρ θήρα ἦν τοῖς λέουσιν.

ποτὲ εὖρε δύο σκύμνους ἄνευ τοῦ πατρὸς ὄντας. καὶ τούτοις οὐκ ἦν φόβος αὐτοῦ τῷ δὲ κέρκῳ ἔσαινον καὶ αὐτῷ φίλος ἦν.

οὗτος τερπνός ἦν τῷ θηρευτῇ καὶ χαμαί καθημένῳ τοῖς σκύμνοις ἔδωκε σιτία τινά ἅμα δὲ αὐτος καὶ ἤσθιε μετὰ ἐκείνων. ἡ δὲ λέαινα μήτηρ τῶν σκύμνων οὖσα ἐν τούτῳ ἦλθε καὶ τὸν ἀνδρὸν καὶ ...
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