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Deponent active vs middle meaning

Basic question: do deponent verbs only use the middle form as an active sense only or do they also use the middle sense? In other words, is it possible for a deponent verb to have an active sense, a middle sense, and by extension a passive sense? Or do deponent verbs only get used in an active sense? Smyth implies the latter. My "Greek ain't never that simple" gut feeling says the former. Thoughts?
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ἀντιτείχισμα as "buttressing" in Thucydides 2.77

Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War, 2.77 wrote:μετὰ δὲ τοῦτο οἱ Πελοποννήσιοι, ὡς αἵ τε μηχαναὶ οὐδὲν ὠφέλουν καὶ τῷ χώματι τὸ ἀντιτείχισμα ἐγίγνετο, νομίσαντες ἄπορον εἶναι ἀπὸ τῶν παρόντων δεινῶν ἑλεῖν τὴν πόλιν πρὸς τὴν περιτείχισιν παρεσκευάζοντο.
After this the Peloponnesians, finding that their engines effected nothing, and that their mound was met by the counter-work, concluded that their present means of offence were unequal to the taking of the city, and prepared for its circumvallation.
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Diocl.Fr.121

Διοκλῆς δ᾽ ὁ Καρύστιος τὸν σικυόν φησι μετὰ σιτίων ἐν πρώτοις λαμβανόμενον ἐνοχλεῖν· φέρεσθαι γὰρ ἄνω καθάπερ τὴν ῥάφανον· τελευταῖον δὲ λαμβανόμενον ἀλυπότερον εἶναι καὶ εὐπεπτότερον· ἑφθὸν δὲ καὶ διουρητικὸν μετρίως ὑπάρχειν.

I can translate this, to the best of my ability, as:

"Diocles of Carystus says the cucumber, taken with grains (in bread?) at first troubles , for it is carried upwards (vomited?) just like the cabbage, but the latter is taken more ...
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Athenaze Study Group - Lesson 10

Exercise 10α
Make verb charts and fill them in. Rather than photocopying, you may choose to create a spreadsheet with the verbs up to this point and keep it handy on your computer.

Exercise 10β
Give the 1st person singular of the future of the following verbs:
1. νικάω
2. τέρπομαι
3. παύω
4. παρασκευάζω
5. πέμπω
6. ἡγέομαι
7. βοάω
8. πείθω
9. δέχομαι
10. πάσχω

Exercise 10γ
Give the corresponding future form of ...
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Constantinus Lascaris, Greek Grammar (1476)

The Greek Grammar by Constantinus Lascaris (Κωνσταντῖνος Λάσκαρις) is perhaps the oldest printed work in Greek, dating from 1476.

Two questions. . .

First:
I read through this work, once as an undergraduate and once later, but can't recall seeing any indication as to what Lascaris' own sources were. It is too comprehensive and systematic to have been written ad hoc, and even if it were from memory, it would need a model for organisation. ...
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Moeridis Atticistae Lexicon Atticum

Sorry for the lame question, but...

Grammar books dating from the 1820's till well into that century (inc. LSJ) refer to either Moer. or Piers, ad Moer. in their footnotes.

Some of those books are:
A Greek Grammar of the New Testament By Georg Benedikt Winer (1825)
A Copius Greek Grammar, Volume 1 By August Matthiae (5th Ed. 1837)
A catalogue of irregular Greek verbs [extr. from P.C. Buttmann's Ausführliche griechische ... (1837)

I understand ...
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Byzantine Greek Reading List

Does anyone have a reasonably extensive Byzantine Greek reading list they would be happy to put up?

I am looking for the sort of list a PhD student in the field of Byzantine Literature would have to read for examinations. But it can be a list someone has made up from their own reading or knowledge of the area.

Thanks!
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Crosby and Schaeffer Teacher's Manual

New member here. Been teaching Latin for many years, adding Greek to the curriculum this coming fall. Reviewing the Crosby and Schaeffer text, really like the presentation, should fit well with our existing Latin curriculum (Allyn and Bacon/Jenney) . . . but as it's been a couple decades since I took Greek, sure would be more confident if there were a teacher's manual or resource out there. Read a previous post in this forum (from ...
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Hdt. 1.4.1 missing conjunction?? -accusative of "respect."

Every time I re-read this bit of Herodotus I feel I almost understand it but something always seems to slip away.

μέχρι μὲν ὤν τούτου ἁρπαγάς μούνας εἶναι παρ᾽ ἀλλήλων, τὸ δὲ ἀπὸ τούτου Ἕλληνας δὴ μεγάλως αἰτίους γενέσθαι: προτέρους γὰρ ἄρξαι στρατεύεσθαι ἐς τὴν Ἀσίην ἢ σφέας ἐς τὴν Εὐρώπην.

And here is my intentionally over-literal translation
up until this point therefore kidnapping alone there had been between-each-other, the (event) after this (?????) the ...
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Declension of Ἐΰς

I'm starting my Homer courses soon, but I was slightly fazed by the adjective ἐΰς. The entries for this word in the various dictionaries seem quite scant, so I'm unable to acquire a good understanding of how this word is to be declined. Formally it seems similar to third declension -ύς, -εῖα, -ύ, but something doesn't fit.

Wikipedia suggests that this word comes from I.E. *῾συ-, which in strong cases should lead me to expect ...
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