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two new learners - ancient and koine

Hello all. My father and I have decided to start learning Greek together; we are both starting from scratch. His goal is to read the New Testament, my goal is Homer, Plato, etc. I have done some reading about ancient vs. attic vs. koine, but my question here is this: with koine being a kind of 'subset' of ancient/attic, it seems logical that we start with that to cover both of our goals. However, will ...
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2 Semesters of Intro Greek: Next Steps?

Hey all, this is my first post here. To briefly summarize my situation, I'm finishing up Greek 2 this semester via Luschnig's Intro Book (of which this will be the third mention in all of the textkit fora), but I'm graduating this semester. Although we're not supposed to finish the book in this semester (leaving the Subj/Opt and Sequence of Moods as well as Imperatives and Verbals for Greek 3) my prof said that he'd ...
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"Αλλως τε μεντοι" Plato Apology 35d1

Hi. I'm having some difficulty understanding the nuances of this combination of particles in this sentence of the Apology:

μὴ οὖν ἀξιοῦτέ με, ὦ ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, τοιαῦτα δεῖν πρὸς ὑμᾶς πράττειν ἃ μήτε ἡγοῦμαι καλὰ εἶναι μήτε δίκαια μήτε ὅσια, ἄλλως τε μέντοι νὴ Δία πάντως καὶ ἀσεβείας φεύγοντα ὑπὸ Μελήτου τουτουΐ.

I've checked Denniston, who merely says that this usage is extremely rare. Any help would be appreciated!
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Asketes -askete, what does the latter mean

Hi! I hope it's not inappropriate to ask this but: we're starting a business that produces and sells art. Coming up with a name is always difficult. I decided to try ancient Greek words. I've really been a big fan of Greece since I read about the ancient mythology and visited Greece for the first time a few decades ago.

So, I typed "art" into one of the online dictionaries http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/definitionlookup?type=exact&q=art&target=greek. "Asketes" was one of ...
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xenophon's use of the historic present at start of anabasis

For quite some time the way Xenophon switches from present to past tenses seemed to me utterly random. There are some cases where his hands are tied. ἁθροίζονται has to be present because the mustering in the Kastolou plain presumably continued to the time that Xenophon was writing.

However, in the cases where he is free to choose he picks out, with the present, the key events that move the story forward.
Hence the two ...
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Plato's Phaedrus - 240d

I'm a little confused about the following sentence.

τῷ δὲ δὴ ἐρωμένῳ ποῖον παραμύθιον ἢ τίνας ἡδονὰς διδοὺς ποιήσει τὸν ἴσον χρόνον συνόντα μὴ οὐχὶ ἐπ᾽ ἔσχατον ἐλθεῖν ἀηδίας

What does "ποιήσει τὸν ἴσον χρόνον συνόντα μὴ οὐχὶ ἐπ᾽ ἔσχατον ἐλθεῖν ἀηδίας" mean? The "τὸν ἴσον χρόνον" is what really throws me off.

Almost done with all the inspired speeches. Really pushing the limit of my understanding of Greek. Woo hoo!
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Plato's Meno 80d - question on grammar

This is my first time "posting a new topic." The question is on the first sentence of this passage (see subject line for reference):

καὶ τίνα τρόπον ζητήσεις, ὦ Σώκρατες, τοῦτο ὃ μὴ οἶσθα τὸ παράπαν ὅτι ἐστίν; ποῖον γὰρ ὧν οὐκ οἶσθα προθέμενος ζητήσεις; ἢ εἰ καὶ ὅτι μάλιστα ἐντύχοις αὐτῷ, πῶς εἴσῃ ὅτι τοῦτό ἐστιν ὃ σὺ οὐκ ᾔδησθα;

Question: Am I right to think that the verb ζητήσεις is here taking two ...
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Platos Phaedrus 237c

I am very very slowly making my way through the Phaedrus and I go stuck recently at 237c.

....ἐγὼ οὖν καὶ σὺ μὴ πάθωμεν ὃ ἄλλοις ἐπιτιμῶμεν, ἀλλ᾽ ἐπειδὴ σοὶ καὶ ἐμοὶ ὁ λόγος πρόκειται πότερα ἐρῶντι ἢ μὴ μᾶλλον εἰς φιλίαν ἰτέον, περὶ ἔρωτος οἷόν τ᾽ ἔστι καὶ ἣν ἔχει δύναμιν,.....

I don't understand the "ἐρῶντι ἢ μὴ μᾶλλον εἰς φιλίαν ἰτέον".

Does it mean " Therefore I and you, lest we suffer ...
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Herodotus 4.106

Recently, in another thread, I pointed out that Finns are not Indo-Europeans. What exactly they are can be found in the Budé edition of Herodotus.

4.106. ἀνδροφάγοι δὲ ἀγριώτατα πάντων ἀνθρώπων ἔχουσι ἤθεα, οὔτε δίκην νομίζοντες οὔτε νόμῳ οὐδενὶ χρεώμενοι: νομάδες δὲ εἰσι, ἐσθῆτά τε φορέουσι τῇ Σκυθικῇ ὁμοίην, γλῶσσαν δὲ ἰδίην, ἀνδροφαγέουσι δὲ μοῦνοι τούτων.

In a footnote the editor Legrand notes that according to 4.18, the ἀνδροφάγοι are an ἔθνος ἴδιον καὶ οὐδαμῶς ...
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Another inscription

Translated to Attic from IG7.3172:

μηνὸς Ἀλαλκομένιου¹ εἰκαστῇ καὶ ἕκτῃ, ἐπεψήφιζε Φιλόμηλος Φίλωνος, Κηφισόδωρος Διονυσίου ἔλεξε· προβεβουλευμένον εἶναι αὐτῷ πρὸς δῆμον, ἐπειδὴ ἐπεψηφίσατο ὁ δῆμος ἀποδοῦναι Νικαρέτῃ Θέωνος τὸν ταμίαν τὸν προάρχοντα τὴν τρίτην τετράμηνον ἀπὸ τῶν ὑπερημεριῶν τῶν ἐουσῶν² κατὰ τῆς πόλεως, ὃ ἐπίθωσε³ αὐτὴν ἡ πόλις, ἀργυρίου⁴ δραχμὰς μυρίας ὀκτακισχιλίας ὀκτακοσίας τριάκοντα τρεῖς, καὶ τοὺς πολεμάρχους ἀνελέσθαι τήν τε σύγγραφον ἣν ἔδωκαν ὑπὲρ οὔτων τῶν χρημάτων κατ᾽ αὐτοὶ αὐτῶν καὶ ὁ ταμίας καὶ ...
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