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Why is ἡ γάλοως proparoxytone?

If the ultima is long, how is γάλοως (PIE *ǵh₂lōw-) proparoxytone?
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How to translate this sentence? Wasps 601

σκέψαι μ᾽ ἀπὸ τῶν ἀγαθῶν οἵων ἀποκλῄεις καὶ κατερύκεις,
ἣν δουλείαν οὖσαν ἔφασκες καὶ ὑπηρεσίαν ἀποδείξειν.

I'm struggling a bit to understand how this translation works grammatically. Does σκεψαι introduce an indirect statement? ie does it literally mean: 'see that you are shutting me off and holding me back from what sort of goods/blessings...'

A more idiomatic translation would be: 'see what sort (or: 'the sort') of goods/blessings you are shutting me off and ...
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κλέπας vs. Baltic + δασύς collocated with clouds in D.S.

This ramble arises after flipping through the (then, 1978) Recent Developments in Historical Phonology. While any data is better than no data, an un-Greeked, or un-LSJed reader might not be able to rate the relative values of Greek lexical data presented in LSJ. In that case, the data set for comparative linguistics can become something of a pot-luck. Take this for example,
Page 436 wrote:Lith. šlapias, Latv. slapjš 'wet' : - : : Gk. klépas 'wet'

Put Ancient Greek/Latin old readers in a new format.


I am starting a project to put ancient greek readers (for beginners) in a good quality (a searchable document with good image quality). I am using LaTex (XelaTex, because use Unicode) to run the text with font ""KadmosU" (but can be any other). My idea is to establish a "standard" (good quality) version of the readers for everyone who wants to learn. I use the software Keyman to type direct ancient greek (I think ...
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Kindle Middle Liddell lookup dictionary

For those of you who like the convenience of reading on a Kindle, I came across a newly published lookup dictionary in the Amazon Kindle store yesterday. It's based on the Middle Liddell, contains some 35,000 lemmata (not including inflections) and is 'fully inflected' according to the description.

I've been testing it a little and am impressed so far. At just USD 3, you can't beat the price either.*

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078N ... ...

What is the voice and tense of φανει here? Wasps line 530

ἐνεγκάτω μοι δεῦρο τὴν κίστην τις ὡς τάχιστα.
ἀτὰρ φανεῖ ποῖός τις ὤν, ἢν ταῦτα παρακελεύῃ;

The future tense makes the most sense ('what certain sort of man will he show himself to be?'), but in this case it can only be the 3rd sg active - but, unless I'm mistaken, the active of φαινω can't mean 'show oneself to be...', so I don't think it can be this (unless there is an ἐαυτον missing ...
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What does σους mean here? Wasps line 472


ἔσθ᾽ ὅπως ἄνευ μάχης καὶ τῆς κατοξείας βοῆς
ἐς λόγους ἔλθοιμεν ἀλλήλοισι καὶ διαλλαγάς;


σοὐς λόγους ὦ μισόδημε καὶ μοναρχίας ἐραστά,
καὶ ξυνὼν Βρασίδᾳ καὶ φορῶν κράσπεδα
στεμμάτων τήν θ᾽ ὑπήνην ἄκουρον τρέφων;

The only option I can come up with for οσυς is that it's the masc acc pl agreeing with λογους - but is 'your discussions' the correct translation? (also I am aware that many texts write it as σοι - ...
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Why is οἱος...τροπος not accusative here? Wasps line 454

ἀλλὰ τούτων μὲν τάχ᾽ ἡμῖν δώσετον καλὴν δίκην,
οὐκέτ᾽ ἐς μακρὰν ἵν᾽ εἰδῆθ᾽ οἷός ἐστ᾽ ἀνδρῶν τρόπος
ὀξυθύμων καὶ δικαίων καὶ βλεπόντων κάρδαμα.

lit: 'So that you know of what sort is the character of men who are hot-tempered and...'

I'm not entirely sure why 'οἱος...τροπος' isn't accusative - isn't it the object of εἰδητε? The commentary I'm reading says it shouldn't be the acc object of εἰδητε but doesn't go on to explain why. ...

Datives used as derivational morphological prefix

This was originally a question asked in Herodotus 1.189 νηυσιπέρητος
Markos wrote:
ἑκηβόλος wrote:Are there other similar word formations, where the dative of means becomes part of the word itself?
νηυσί (ναυσί) πέρητος (περατός) -> νηυσιπέρητος

χαῖρε, φίλε Στέφανε.

Maybe νυκτικρυφής?

νυκτικρυφὴς ὁ ἥλιος. ἡ γὰρ νὺξ κρύπτει τὸν ἥλιον. ὁ οὖν ἥλιος τῇ νυκτὶ ἐκρύβη.

On the other hand, Λ.Σ.Κ. renders this as: ὁ κρυπτόμενος τὴν νύκτα.


Yes. You were wise to ignore my stipulation of "dative ...
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