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Barry Hofstetter wrote:Schaff is always fun, although dated, and should always be compared with more recent materials before drawing any definite conclusions (or as definite as it gets when considering ancient history). With regard to persecution, it's pretty well agreed that persecution up until the time of Diocletian was not empire wide, but locally and often inconsistently enforced, not altogether unlike what Christians in China experience today.

The idea that the Ignatius' epistles are "entirely pseudepigraphical" ...
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Question for Barry Hofsesster

What substantive would you replace the pronoun with (highlighted in bold below) in the following verse:

ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ ἦν, καὶ ὁ κόσμος δι’ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο, καὶ ὁ κόσμος αὐτὸν οὐκ ἔγνω.

(1) τὸ φῶς τὸ ἀληθινὸν

(2) τὸν λόγον

(3)Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν

(4) Other

In other words, what is the antecedent or the postcedent of αὐτὸν in John 1:10 ?
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Split from My Greek Reading

jeidsath wrote:I think that you need to post these to a board frequented by modern Greeks if you want a constructive criticism. To my ears, your τ sounds too much like the English t, but you should really go to someone who speaks the language. Here are two recordings of Revelation 15 with a modern Greek pronunciation to compare against:

Spiros Zodhiates: https://soundcloud.com/joel-eidsath/rev ... chapter-15
Apostolos Vavilis: ...
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Inspecting 1 John 1:1

Here is me reading the first Chapter of 1 John, just to put things into perspective: https://archive.org/details/NewRecording21_201607

Here anyone may read it themselves:

1 ἦν ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς, ὃ ἀκηκόαμεν, ὃ ἑωράκαμεν τοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς ἡμῶν, ὃ ἐθεασάμεθα καὶ αἱ χεῖρες ἡμῶν ἐψηλάφησαν, περὶ τοῦ Λόγου τῆς ζωῆς,— 2καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἐφανερώθη, καὶ ἑωράκαμεν καὶ μαρτυροῦμεν καὶ ἀπαγγέλλομεν ὑμῖν τὴν ζωὴν τὴν αἰώνιον, ἥτις ἦν πρὸς τὸν Πατέρα καὶ ἐφανερώθη ἡμῖν,— ...
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Split from Reading Paul's 2nd Epistle to the Corintintians

Do you have any other instances where "κἀν crasis for καὶ ἐν not καὶ ἄν" are cited or used in the NT or LXX? We're debating that right now.

I made my first post in the Open Forum today, but since I provided links to prove I'm a real person who really exegetes the NT text, I'm afraid that post will be deleted. So here I'm stuck with asking you the question and cannot point ...
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Split from Do I understand Caesura?

So how many syllables do you count after the third foot, in the first line? 8?

jeidsath wrote:Here I am simply breaking on the third foot every time.


I think occurrences of the same structure might be in Matt24-25, that's why I ask; looks like it depends on how you pronounce the dipthongs. Thank you for your time!
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Split from Acts 2.23-24 participle nom plural

Yeah, well I go with your interp whether anyone else did or not, for that's what Peter means. Playing on how dia is conduit. For it was illegal for the Jewish Sanhedrin to do it, so they had to get Pilate to do it by threatening revolt. Play on 'by', see. We know from the Gospels that it was illegal for the Sanhedrin to assess the death penalty. I'd say that was authoritative enough, wouldn't ...
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Split from John chap 2 24-25 διὰ τὸ αὐτὸν γινώσκειν πάντας

Okay, so by extension, why isn't Mark 3:5 properly rendered as the CROWD's anger, instead of (incorrectly) attributing the anger to Christ? Antecedent is the crowd, plural.

Counting syllables in the NT text

brainout wrote:At issue is counting syllables in the NT text, and whether elision or crasis (krasis) affects the syllable counts.

What is the purpose of counting syllables in the NT text? Bauckham talks about it.

The Testimony of the Beloved Disciple: Narrative, History, and ...
Richard Bauckham 2007, p. 276, The Numerical Shape of the Beginning and Ending of John.

I have read a lot of Richard Bauckham. Sometimes he goes places where I ...
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Upside Down Grammar

Over the years, I've been witness to some terrible grammar at Textkit, B-Greek and Carm. from those claiming to "know" something about Greek grammar, and specifically about biblical Greek grammar. Not a few of these charlatans even call themselves "instructors," "scholars," "teachers" "experts" etc. of the Koine. In this thread, I'm going to be compiling some of the silly grammatical claims which these people have gone on record to make. So without further ado, let's ...
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